What day of the week should we go to church on?

[kat8585]

I don't have a problem with some Christians reading the Gospel and still wanting to observe a Sabbath. But really do it, don't play around with it.

Shalom Smalcald,

You see, you are instituting MAN'S logic and man's rules, not G-d's. You don't have that right, I'm sorry. The Scriptures are our authority in how we observe the Sabbath, not your opinion.

If you work on Saturday you are no better than someone cheating on their wife or stealing.

Again, I'm sorry, but that is not Scripturally correct. That is man's opinion, not G-d. Smalcald, you cannot speak for G-d and go against His Scripture. The Bible does not say what you just said.

If you really believe that then by all means don't work and don't allow your children or spouse to work either or cause others to work, follow the actual commandment as written on the tablet that Moses brought down

Again, you are raising a Red Herring. The Sabbath was instituted at Creation. Before Moses.

And again, you are not in the position to declare what is the "correct" way to observe the Sabbath.

The Scriptures say that it is a holy day and we are to "honor" it to the L-rd. That is the correct way.

Hi Vicky,

I don't want to belabor this and I do respect you and your opinions and do respect those who wish to observe a Sabbath.

But I must say you are wrong. Scripture DOES say how to observe the Sabbath.

Just looking at the Commandments as shown in Exodus:

8 "Remember the Sabbath day by keeping it holy. 9 Six days you shall labor and do all your work, 10 but the seventh day is a Sabbath to the LORD your God. On it you shall not do any work, neither you, nor your son or daughter, nor your manservant or maidservant, nor your animals, nor the alien within your gates. 11 For in six days the LORD made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, but he rested on the seventh day. Therefore the LORD blessed the Sabbath day and made it holy.

If you want to keep this commandment as it is written in scripture than you can't work nor can your household work, nor anyone visiting you, nor if you employ anyone they can't work either. Look either we should do this or not. What is man made is saying well we do observe the Sabbath, unless it is no convenient for us. If people work on the Sabbath they must quite their job, as working on the Sabbath under your view is sin, the same as cheating on your wife. A commandment is a commandment right?

For me, I read scripture saying that Jesus is my Sabbath rest; this is in Hebrews, I hear Paul saying to me as a gentile, not to seek after observing new moons, and Sabbaths and days and weeks, etc. But if I believed that the Sabbath observance still stood as it did under the old covenant, then I would observe it as the commandment says; but I don't believe that.

Then, are you saying hospitals should shut down, police and fire departments should stop protecting us, etc. on Sabbath? He didn't mean these thing should happen. Also, if you lift a pencil, it's work. He didn't mean we should just sit and do nothing.

[Vickilynn]

Hi Vickilynn,

I don't want to belabor this and I do respect you and your opinions and do respect those who wish to observe a Sabbath.

Shalom Smalcald,

But you are belaboring the same point over and over when it's been addressed over and over. Somehow you are not getting what is being said.

You are all hung-up on the rules Dude. If you will just relax and let the Scriptures show you that the LAW is not is what is being followed here, but G-d's Word (see Genesis 2).

Please understand this:

~G-d instituted the Sabbath BEFORE the Law, therefore we are not "under the Law" by observing the Sabbath.

~No place in Scripture does G-d every RESCIND the 7th day Sabbath, so it remains

~This is no way conflicts with a Believer going to church 7 days a week, if they desire.

But I must say you are wrong. Scripture DOES say how to observe the Sabbath.

Just looking at the Commandments as shown in Exodus:

8 "Remember the Sabbath day by keeping it holy. 9 Six days you shall labor and do all your work, 10 but the seventh day is a Sabbath to the LORD your God. On it you shall not do any work, neither you, nor your son or daughter, nor your manservant or maidservant, nor your animals, nor the alien within your gates. 11 For in six days the LORD made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, but he rested on the seventh day. Therefore the LORD blessed the Sabbath day and made it holy.

As Shiloh has sown you many times, it is your INTERPRETATION of "work" that is the problem. Rabbis have interpreted work in a way that is not given in the Scriptures, and you are following THEIR rules, not G-d's. Of course, if you choose to do that, you are welcome to, but it is not the Scriptural mandate.

"Work" is common work, everyday labors. It does NOT mean doing nothing.

Also, those instructions were given specifically under the Law. As I have shown you, we are not UNDER the Law, so the LAW is not the Sabbath. Back up to Genesis 2 and there you will see the SPIRIT of the Sabbath, which we observe.

Smalcald, please, I pray you will see the difference, for it is a HUGE one. I have said it over and over in all our conversations on this topic and I so wish for you to understand, for it will free you from the "rules" bondage that you perceive as the Sabbath.

If you want to keep this commandment as it is written in scripture than you can't work nor can your household work, nor anyone visiting you, nor if you employ anyone they can't work either. Look either we should do this or not.

Again, that is a wrong interpretation of the Scriptures and their applications. YOU are putting people under the Law, when we are not if we are in Yeshua. According to Scripture, we are to observe the day, for G-d made it HOLY. That is in Genesis 2. It is not an "either / or" situation any longer, can you not see that? You are saying it is, but that's not what the Scriptures say. Sabbath is a gift and a choice. Simple as that. You are making it Law and bondage, when G-d does not.

What is man made is saying well we do observe the Sabbath, unless it is no convenient for us. If people work on the Sabbath they must quite their job, as working on the Sabbath under your view is sin, the same as cheating on your wife. A commandment is a commandment right?

No, it is not a commandment. Read the Scriptures. It is a choice and a gift. It is not a requirement. As I said, you are confusing LAW with following G-d as a Believer in Yeshua.

For me, I read scripture saying that Jesus is my Sabbath rest; this is in Hebrews, I hear Paul saying to me as a gentile, not to seek after observing new moons, and Sabbaths and days and weeks, etc. But if I believed that the Sabbath observance still stood as it did under the old covenant, then I would observe it as the commandment says; but I don't believe that.

And that is your CHOICE. I don't condemn you Brother for your choice. But, I am trying to help you see that your perception of this issue is a misunderstanding. Sabbath is not a requirement, and it is not Mosaic Law, but it is a gift given to us by G-d at Creation and in Hebrews, the Word says that this gift remains in Jesus. I read the Scriptures in Hebrews to prove that the Sabbath STILL remains, but not under Mosaic Law, but in the Law written in our hearts - to set aside the day to worship and honor Yeshua and rest in Him.

Again, this is not bound up in rules as you think, but it is a wonderful, rich observation of something G-d instituted before the Law of Moses (Genesis 2) and continues, even today (Hebrews 4)

Now, we keep going around this same Law pole which I have shown is NOT applicable to this issue, so unless you have something new, I would say we have said all we can on this subject.

Shalom to you Brother.

[Vickilynn]

Then, are you saying hospitals should shut down, police and fire departments should stop protecting us, etc. on Sabbath? He didn't mean these thing should happen. Also, if you lift a pencil, it's work. He didn't mean we should just sit and do nothing.

Shalom,

For those UNDER the Law (that is the unsaved Jews), they do "good" works on the Sabbath and their city does not shut down. SO no, hospitals don't close etc. Just all non=emergency operations.

However, since we are talking about Believers in Yeshua, these restrictions do not apply to us. We observe by choice, not by Law.

[Arthur Durnan]

I love it, I love it! Judaic Sabbatarians urging the Mosaic Code of the Old Covenant on New Testament Christians saved by grace alone without the works of the Mosaic Code. If Sabbatarians insist on repeating Jewish ritual & regulations, then all Sabbatarians must obey Israel's PLACE OF WORSHIP TOO, THE JEWISH TEMPLE IN JERUSALEM ONLY!! And with the price of gasoline being what it is......

No, it's never backward to Moses & Sabbatarianism; always forward & upward to the Lord Jesus Christ! Ditch the tenets of 19th-century's Ellen Gould Harmon White, founder of 19th-century SDAism, and COME ALIVE IN JESUS ALONE! AMEN & AMEN!

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[Vickilynn]

I love it, I love it! Judaic Sabbatarians urging the Mosaic Code of the Old Covenant on New Testament Christians saved by grace alone without the works of the Mosaic Code. If Sabbatarians insist on repeating Jewish ritual & regulations, then all Sabbatarians must obey Israel's PLACE OF WORSHIP TOO, THE JEWISH TEMPLE IN JERUSALEM ONLY!! And with the price of gasoline being what it is......

No, it's never backward to Moses & Sabbatarianism; always forward & upward to the Lord Jesus Christ! Ditch the tenets of 19th-century's Ellen Gould Harmon White, founder of 19th-century SDAism, and COME ALIVE IN JESUS ALONE! AMEN & AMEN!

Shalom Arthur,

You are wrong. Please get your facts straight before you falsely accuse and look silly. Right now, you look VERY silly for nothing you've said in your post is the truth.

Speaking for myself:

#1. I am not a "Sabbatarian".

#2. I am not an SDA

#3. I do not follow Ellen G. White.

#4. I am a born-again, Spirit-filled, child of the Living G-d. Are you?

#5. If so, then you have no place to judge what you are judging. Please read Romans 14.

[Smalcald]

Then, are you saying hospitals should shut down, police and fire departments should stop protecting us, etc. on Sabbath? He didn't mean these thing should happen. Also, if you lift a pencil, it's work. He didn't mean we should just sit and do nothing.

8 "Remember the Sabbath day by keeping it holy. 9 Six days you shall labor and do all your work, 10 but the seventh day is a Sabbath to the LORD your God. On it you shall not do any work, neither you, nor your son or daughter, nor your manservant or maidservant, nor your animals, nor the alien within your gates. 11 For in six days the LORD made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, but he rested on the seventh day. Therefore the LORD blessed the Sabbath day and made it holy.

I am not saying anything; I am simply quoting the above Sabbath commandment as written in the 10 commandments. The question is what does this mean how to apply it today. It says "you shall not do any work", looks clear to me. I think though that doing good would be allowed to maintain necessary functions of society, but only necessary. If you work at a factory that makes you work on Saturday you must quit if you want to observe the Sabbath.

But I see what Vicky is saying, and I think it is good to honor the Sabbath as a gift, but then again we must keep in mind when we honor it that way we are not doing what scripture teaches on this matter. If the Sabbath commandment really is the same as the other commandments, then we must look at it in the same way and must follow it. We don

[Vickilynn]

But I see what Vickilynn is saying, and I think it is good to honor the Sabbath as a gift, but then again we must keep in mind when we honor it that way we are not doing what scripture teaches on this matter.

Shalom Smalcald,

Oh, that's not true at all! You simply are not seeing what I'm saying are you?

Scriptures does not teach what you say it does. You are misreading it and misrepresenting it. Please, go back ans actually READ what I've posted.

If the Sabbath commandment really is the same as the other commandments, then we must look at it in the same way and must follow it. We don

[Arthur Durnan]

Jesus was, of course, Jewish. However He did indeed institute the CHRISTIAN Church in Acts Chapter Two composed of BOTH Jew & Gentile. No born-again Christian in the worldwide Church of Jesus Christ is ever commanded to observe Saturday, the Jewish seventh-day Sabbath anywhere after the commencement of said CHRISTIAN Church of twice-born men & women. In point of fact, the Jewish seventh-day Sabbath was specifically given to the LITERAL NATION OF ISRAEL three times in Exodus 20-23 - never once to the CHRISTIAN Church (which is NOT Israel). And too, failure to keep their seventh-day Sabbath even once would result in the death penalty!! HALP! Very interesting. BTW, a Sabbatarian is essentially one who holds to the Jewish seventh-day Sabbath whether a follower of Ellen Gould Harmon White of SDAism or not. Please don't major on a minor.

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[Smalcald]

Are not the Ten Commandments Mosaic Law? Are we free from them?

It seems to me you are jumping all over the map. Where in Genesis is the word Sabbath mentioned? You claim scripture but I am not seeing anything to support your contentions on this. Scipture however IS clear about how to observe the Sabbath, I mean it is a commandment after all right?

Here is the text of Genesis 2

1Thus the heavens and the earth were finished, and all the host of them. 2And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made; and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made. 3And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made.

It does not mention a Sabbath or Sabbath observance. However we have the Ten Commandments which tell us what God wants. It is good God blessed and sanctified the day, but that says nothing about what we are to do, that was what Moses did for us.

Genesis 2 has nothing to do with Sabbath observance. In fact Mosiac law is the only place Sabbath observance IS mentioned. So if you want to hang your hat on Sabbath observance than it would seem you would want to follow what God is saying about Sabbath observance.

[Arthur Durnan]

Yes. They're repated time & again for Israel. Nine of the ten are repeated in one form or another in the New Testament for the Ch7urch of Jesus Christ. Guess which one isn't repeated for the Church of Jesus Christ!

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