what are your prespectives on the epic of gilgamesh

[KeilanS]

Using all my vast knowledge on the epic of gilgamesh, I can come to this one conclusion:

Gilgamesh is a really cool name.

Besides that, I don't know anything.

[systemstrike_7]

I heard this somewhere and it could be completely false, but it might make for some good conversation. I heard that all the flood stories could have derived from some natural catastrophe that happened near the Black Sea. Has anyone else ever heard of this theory?

[systemstrike_7]

I heard this somewhere and it could be completely false, but it might make for some good conversation. I heard that all the flood stories could have derived from some natural catastrophe that happened near the Black Sea. Has anyone else ever heard of this theory?

Its more than a theory, strike. Its actually the belief of most Eastern Christians. Jews wrote in a writing style that was very exagetory (i dont know if thats a word) but they over did everything. When they used the word "world", it more often meant just them, because Israel was their world. They had the ego centricities of a 3 year old, not self centered, but that the world only stretched to the borders of Israel, because they are God's chosen.

I know what you mean, I had just heard that somewhere and was wondering if it held any respectability among others. And yes, the Israelites were very self-centered. You can see that in the many rapacious and murderous sieges they would perpetrate against their conquerees (don't know if that's a word either). And they justified this simply because they believed God told them too.

[sweetycakes]

The epic of gilgamesh..........the hammurabi codes..........the Bhagavad gita.........

I have read them all.

Utterly irrelevant.

....along with the mayan prophecies.....the gospel of Judas......(I could go on, you know)....

We have been given the full and final revelation.

"If any man shall add to the words of this prophecy..........(or take away)......"

Either that is enough........or it is not.

[Fraught]

Many people think that "older is better" when it comes to archaeology and history. In some cases, it might make sense, but it many cases it doesn't have to. The Gilgamash Epic belongs to the second category, because a lot of embellishments have gone into it. If the Biblical account was taken from the G.E., then who is to say it did not come from the Chinese, or a tribe in Burma?

The G.E. and other legends found across a wide area of the world and across different cultures actually increases the probability (mathematically speaking) that a widespread flood did occur. While the G.E. has similarities to the Flood in the Bible, we can say also that about many other cultures as well. For example, in Chinese culture, there is a figure called Nuwa (sounds like Noah) who was credited with repopulating the world after the flood. The Chinese word for big boat means a boat with eight lives on it (count how many people was on the Ark).

This page contains a very good summary of various flood legends:

http://www.nwcreation.net/noahlegends.html

oooohh! that is very interesting!

[Matthitjah]

I heard this somewhere and it could be completely false, but it might make for some good conversation. I heard that all the flood stories could have derived from some natural catastrophe that happened near the Black Sea. Has anyone else ever heard of this theory?

Its more than a theory, strike. Its actually the belief of most Eastern Christians. Jews wrote in a writing style that was very exagetory (i dont know if thats a word) but they over did everything. When they used the word "world", it more often meant just them, because Israel was their world. They had the ego centricities of a 3 year old, not self centered, but that the world only stretched to the borders of Israel, because they are God's chosen.

I know what you mean, I had just heard that somewhere and was wondering if it held any respectability among others. And yes, the Israelites were very self-centered. You can see that in the many rapacious and murderous sieges they would perpetrate against their conquerees (don't know if that's a word either). And they justified this simply because they believed God told them too.

Grace to you,

You've got to be kidding me.

Moses wrote the account of the Flood found in Genesis. Moses spent forty years on the backside of the desert. When God finally was finished with him and came and told him to go back to Egypt. Moses had nearly forgotten why he was there in the first place and was so humbled that he didn't want anything whatsoever to do with Saving Gods people. He thought he wasn't worthy.

Arrogant?

The Israelites spent most of their time running from their God because of fear. They didn't want to face the peoples in the land and if it hadn't been for Gods Good Grace and His Holy name, every single one of them would have died in the desert.

Arrogant? I have never heard anything so ridiculous.

Peace,

Dave

[Grungekid]

And the hammurabi codes

Someone tried to throw this in my face as a reason to why the bible was false

Could someone please break down what they think about this subject to me? It's bugging me

I think that the hammurabi code was based on a much older system, and that the epic of Gilgamesh had little to do with the Bible, other than the character 'Utnapishtim', whom is a Babylonian interpretation of the personage of Noah. Many cultures in the past have stories about floods. Many of them have a character like Noah. I think that each society stresses its own importance by claiming to have a member that took place in the actual events described in the Bible.

[Lcash]

My opinion in regards to the "Epic of Gilgamesh" is that it is one more proof that the story of Noah occurred much earlier than most modern day Christians are willing to concede. Since Christians have painted themselves in a corner by trying to date the time of creation to about 6000 years they leave themselves open to ridicule when history shows evidence of a longer existence. So with that said, I believe that the story of Noah is true but predated Gilgamesh and the method that has been used by the Christian church for the last several hundred years to try and date the age of the earth or humankind is flawed.

As for other flood stories, it is a fact that most civilizations are formed around sources of water such as rivers and oceans. This is why most civilizations have a flood story. Since we are talking about ancient civilizations it is no wonder that they considered their area of existence as the "Whole World" therefore the stories they tell of a world-wide flood are in actuality a local or regional flood.

Lcash

[Guest Simian]

there is evidence that many of the flood stories come from a single event...a large asteroid striking the pacific ocean creating a huge tidal wave

and besides..the story of noah is just proof that the epic of gilgamesh occured..:-p

in reality the epic proves the styory of noah about as much as the movie troy proves the odyssey

[Lcash]

there is evidence that many of the flood stories come from a single event...a large asteroid striking the pacific ocean creating a huge tidal wave

and besides..the story of noah is just proof that the epic of gilgamesh occured..:-p

in reality the epic proves the styory of noah about as much as the movie troy proves the odyssey

Say what? A large asteroid in the pacific? You got any documentation of that chief?

Lcash