Pre-Trib

[senerhu]

I think you hit the nail on the head. They in fact HAVE NO "legitimate interpretation" from the scriptures and they refuse to discuss the scriptures involved. I would welcome an opportunity to discuss these doctrines with you in a friendly manner, even as I have been with Wordsower. Are you ready?

[Guest sword of truth]

Kitkat and others who share her veiw didn't just pull those views out of thin air...they are just that, legitimate interpretations.

Pre trib is not a legitimate interpretation and it is pulled out of thin air. This heresy is based on a false interpretation of Daniels 70 week prophecy that talks about Jesus ministry in AD 27 -34 and twists it to make it appear to talk about a future antichrist.

It is hypocritical of you to claim that your opinion and only your opinion is correct.

It is ludicrus to think that both interpretations are correct. Pre and post trib are not both correct.

If pre trib is true then why are we still on earth during the out pouring of the seven last plagues?

Revelation 16: 12-21.

[senerhu]

[Amos 5:18] Woe unto you that desire the day of the LORD! to what end is it for you? the day of the LORD is darkness, and not light.

If the day of the Lord is the tribulation, I would rather not be here, and I don't think (hope) I will either, and I hope you and others on this board won't be here also....but if you believe that the rapture occurs after the tribulation, how do you explain Amos' prophecy?

[Dad Ernie]

Greetings Senerhu,

Let's look at Amos in context:

Amos 5:18-27 Woe unto you that desire the day of the LORD! to what end is it for you? the day of the LORD is darkness, and not light. 19 As if a man did flee from a lion, and a bear met him; or went into the house, and leaned his hand on the wall, and a serpent bit him. 20 Shall not the day of the LORD be darkness, and not light? even very dark, and no brightness in it? 21 I hate, I despise your feast days, and I will not smell in your solemn assemblies. 22 Though ye offer me burnt offerings and your meat offerings, I will not accept them: neither will I regard the peace offerings of your fat beasts. 23 Take thou away from me the noise of thy songs; for I will not hear the melody of thy viols. 24 But let judgment run down as waters, and righteousness as a mighty stream. 25 Have ye offered unto me sacrifices and offerings in the wilderness forty years, O house of Israel? 26 But ye have borne the tabernacle of your Moloch and Chiun your images, the star of your god, which ye made to yourselves. 27 Therefore will I cause you to go into captivity beyond Damascus, saith the LORD, whose name is The God of hosts.

Would you admit to it if this pertained to the FIRST coming of the Lord? Who is taking scripture out of context?

Blessings,

Dad Ernie

[senerhu]

Would you admit to it if this pertained to the FIRST coming of the Lord? Who is taking scripture out of context?

No, i interpret 'the day of the LORD' to mean the tribulation and I also believe that its not taken out of context...Do you not believe that 'the day of the Lord' refers to the tribulation?

Also the FIRST coming of the Lord was not for judgement but salvation, which is a joyous occasion to those who hear or see. I don't think that Amos prophecy pertained at all to the First coming of the Lord....

[Dad Ernie]

Greetings Senerhu,

No, i interpret 'the day of the LORD' to mean the tribulation and I also believe that its not taken out of context...Do you not believe that 'the day of the Lord' refers to the tribulation?

Also the FIRST coming of the Lord was not for judgement but salvation, which is a joyous occasion to those who hear or see. I don't think that Amos prophecy pertained at all to the First coming of the Lord....

Have you ever read The Wars by Josephus, particularly the parts dealing with the destruction of Israel in 70 A.D.? Josephus is a very highly regarded historian who accurately depicted what happened. Any serious student of Theology or History cannot deny what he penned.

The judgment brought against Israel was so severe, so terrible that it makes once wince to read about it. It was indeed the greatest day of darkness that ever hit Israel. You will notice in the Amos passages that God hated their sacrifices, where do you see that again mentioned in the NT?

Hebrews 10:5-6 Wherefore when he cometh into the world, he saith, Sacrifice and offering thou wouldest not, but a body hast thou prepared me: 6 In burnt offerings and sacrifices for sin thou hast had no pleasure.

Do you see how perfectly this fits with the Amos verses?

Blessings,

Dad Ernie

[other one]

I have a question. At what point does the beast demand that we worship the image of the beast and kill all of us that will not worship it and take it's mark?

Where in the time table of all the horses, trumpets and bowls does this take place?

[Dad Ernie]

Greetings Other One,

I have a question. At what point does the beast demand that we worship the image of the beast and kill all of us that will not worship it and take it's mark?

Where in the time table of all the horses, trumpets and bowls does this take place?

When the man of sin is revealed. This is the "false prophet" in Revelation. He derives his miraculous powers from the beast who in turn derives them from the Serpant or the Dragon. It is at the onset of the Great Tribulation. Then begins the last 3 1/2 years of Daniel's 70 years or IOW, the time of Jacob's troubles, or when the Beast begins waging war against the saints. In this period of time all the horses and bowls take place.

At the end of this time, the Lord comes and gathers up His saints and for a very short time - one hour - God's wrath is poured out upon all mankind as Mystery Babylon is destroyed.

Blessings,

Dad Ernie

[other one]

That's what I thought.....

[senerhu]

The judgment brought against Israel was so severe, so terrible that it makes once wince to read about it. It was indeed the greatest day of darkness that ever hit Israel. You will notice in the Amos passages that God hated their sacrifices, where do you see that again mentioned in the NT?

Hebrews 10:5-6 Wherefore when he cometh into the world, he saith, Sacrifice and offering thou wouldest not, but a body hast thou prepared me: 6 In burnt offerings and sacrifices for sin thou hast had no pleasure.

Do you see how perfectly this fits with the Amos verses?

Jesus prophesied the destruction of Jerusleum in 70 AD

Matt 24:2 And Jesus said unto them, See ye not all these things? verily I say unto you, There shall not be left here one stone upon another, that shall not be thrown down.

You have not answered my question to you...do you believe 'the day of the LORD' refers to the tribulation?