Who are you ok with spanking your children?

[Guest LadyC]

well i hope you have a happy thanksgiving

[Emily~Anne]

well i hope you have a happy thanksgiving

Happy Thanksgiving to you too Lady C! The food sure does smell good!

[Guest LadyC]

well i hope you have a happy thanksgiving

Happy Thanksgiving to you too Lady C! Food sure does smell good!

you can smell it from HERE? wow, you got a good smeller. wanna take my place at the table? i'm not looking forward to this day at all. in fact, i'm so stressed out i just want to cry, because any minute our company will arrive, and i really wish i could be anywhere else.

[Guest LadyC]

Where in the bible does it say logic is foolishness? (by the way, im going to hound you for a verse and context until i get it. just so ya know wink.gif)

just had to jump in here... 1 Corinthians 1:25 Because the foolishness of God is wiser than men, and the weakness of God is stronger than men. (NKJV)

oh, and the G-D is a jewish mannerism. lots of messianic jews on this board who don't put the o in God, out of reverence. i can't explain it properly, but they do not address God by name.

[Emily~Anne]

Man's wisdom never overrides God. For example, if man's wisdom tells you it is harmful to carry out biblical spanking, then man's wisdom is null and void on that issue and does not override God. If man's wisdom tells you that homosexuality is ok, then again, man's wisdom is null and void on that issue and does not override God. If man's wisdom says evolution is true and the earth is billions of years old, then man's opinion on that is null and void on that issue and does not override God. If man's wisdom tells you abortion is a great idea, then once again, man's wisdom should be null and void on that issue to someone who is walking with Christ and living for God.

Check with God's wisdom first. We simply are not wiser then God. The only good wisdom there is, is wisdom from God.

[Vickilynn]

Viki, really the only thing you've got thats true is the fact that im not a parent.

Shalom T,

First off, my name is Vickilynn. I don't usually answer to other people's names. Please do not call me by someone else's name. It's common courtesy. If you want to shorten my name, you can call me "VL." Thanks.

And no, you are NOT a parent, and the truth is, you really have no knowledge of what you're talking about as a parent, since you are not a parent. All you have is man's logic and head knowledge, which gets you nowhere.

Man's logic is nothing? Then why are we equipped to use it? Is it just for show? Is it just to make us feel bad that we can think but shouldn't? Im sorry you feel as though you shouldn't use your brain.

Don't put words in my mouth, that's not very nice, nor is it accurate. Someone so concerned with man's wisdom should strive to be more accurate.

I'm saying G-d is all wisdom. Man is not. If you have a problem with that, please read your bible. Your logic is useless in comparison to G-d's wisdom. You cannot argue that man's logic is any match for G-d's wisdom. Even non-Christians know that.

Proverbs 21:

30 No wisdom, no understanding, no counsel

can avail against the LORD.

Where in the bible does it say logic is foolishness? (by the way, im going to hound you for a verse and context until i get it. just so ya know )

I see that LadyC posted a good one. There are others. You really should look them up for yourself. It will help you in the future. I see you use this argument a lot on this board and it's not a Biblically sound one. Man's logic is limited, G-d's wisdom is not.

Isaiah 55:

8 For my thoughts are not your thoughts,

neither are your ways my ways, declares the LORD.

9 For as the heavens are higher than the earth,

so are my ways higher than your ways

and my thoughts than your thoughts.

Finally, viki, my question was what some people refer to as a hypothetical situation.

Actually, that is incorrect, your question was not phrased as a hypothetical at all, it is a statement of generality and cannot honestly be answered as written. You should know that.

In that case, the person who was asked the question must come up with an answer, as if they were indeed involved in the hypothetical situation.

Only if the question was phrased as a hypothetical, which it was NOT. Please read up on the phrasing and wording of hypothetical questions.

So my question still stands.

Actually, it does not, but I'll overlook your incorrect wording and answer for MYSELF, from real life experience (not hypothetical) and not speaking for anyone else.

My question was: How often are children spanked out of anger instead of discipline?

In OUR home, our children are NOT spanked out of anger. Ever.

That is to say that the parent is so upset that he or she sees and feels no other alternative to physical punishment.

Nope.

What can be done to correct that and is it worth it?

a) Since it doesn't happen in OUR home, it needs no correction.

b) Is what worth it? Following G-d's ways instead of man's? ABSOLUTELY! There is no choice in my mind or my husband's. G-d's ways are the only right ones.

We BELIEVE in spanking as a Biblical form of discipline. We seek no alternative since G-d showed us this was the correct method.

And LadyC addressed your "annoyance" but next time, you should ask why people do it before you judge. It's a shame that you get "annoyed" at other people's reverence for G-d and their heart motives. That is something you should really pray about and ask the L-rd to give you grace. Also, it is a Scriptural thing why I do what I do and as I said before, I believe G-d's ways are always right.

[Vickilynn]

well i hope you have a happy thanksgiving

Happy Thanksgiving to you too Lady C! Food sure does smell good!

you can smell it from HERE? wow, you got a good smeller. wanna take my place at the table? i'm not looking forward to this day at all. in fact, i'm so stressed out i just want to cry, because any minute our company will arrive, and i really wish i could be anywhere else.

Shalom LadyC,

Oh dear!!! I'm so sorry that you are stressed! Why is that? Family?

I pray for G-d's peace and comfort for you. ::::hugs::::

[Vickilynn]

Once again, it is sad to think that you fear using common sense when applied to your faith.

Shalom,

That statement is a lie. Someone who exalts man's wisdom should never distort the truth in such a manner. It eliminates all credibility. And lying is never logical.

I was not judging you at all. I was, and am, merely annoyed at how it looks on the screen.

I am sorry that you are annoyed. You shouldn't be. That is why I said you should ask the L-rd to give you grace in this area.

I ask your forgiveness if i offended you. But i dont think i need the Lord to give me grace on this one.

Yes, you have, thank you for you apology. Yes, you obviously so need grace if you are "annoyed" at other Christian's reverence for G-d. Just ask Him and He will give it to you. You will no longer be "annoyed" at the way people reverence G-d.

[Guest LadyC]

well i hope you have a happy thanksgiving

Happy Thanksgiving to you too Lady C! Food sure does smell good!

you can smell it from HERE? wow, you got a good smeller. wanna take my place at the table? i'm not looking forward to this day at all. in fact, i'm so stressed out i just want to cry, because any minute our company will arrive, and i really wish i could be anywhere else.

Shalom LadyC,

Oh dear!!! I'm so sorry that you are stressed! Why is that? Family?

I pray for G-d's peace and comfort for you. ::::hugs::::

thanks... my brother-in-law and his wife are here for the holiday. i'm having a hard time letting go of some resentment towards them over some things. i was hoping my oldest would be here today, so i'd have someone to talk to without having to 'make nice' all day, but she couldn't get permission from her staff sgt to leave town.

[Emily~Anne]

Once again, it is sad to think that you fear using common sense when applied to your faith.

Shalom,

That statement is a lie. Someone who exalts man's wisdom should never distort the truth in such a manner. It eliminates all credibility. And lying is never logical.

I was not judging you at all. I was, and am, merely annoyed at how it looks on the screen.

I am sorry that you are annoyed. You shouldn't be. That is why I said you should ask the L-rd to give you grace in this area.

I ask your forgiveness if i offended you. But i dont think i need the Lord to give me grace on this one.

Yes, you have, thank you for you apology. Yes, you obviously so need grace if you are "annoyed" at other Christian's reverence for G-d. Just ask Him and He will give it to you. You will no longer be "annoyed" at the way people reverence G-d.

LoL really? All i have to do is ask and i'll no longer be annoyed?

God, please let me not be annoyed by the phrase "G-d"

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Nothin'. Still annoyed.

Christainity doesnt work like that. God isn't the Wizard of Oz. If im annoyed at something i just have to get over it. Plain and simple.

The use of logic is not a lie. Many Christians are afraid to question their faith. The question lingers "What if i'm wrong?". Therefore they dont even go there. They just live their lives. I've seen it first hand. I grew up Christian, in a family full of Christians, in a church full of Christians.

Do you understand the gift of the Holy Spirit and being Spirit led? Yes indeed, all you have to do is ask and submit to the Holy Spirit working in your heart.

John 14:15-21 (New International Version)

Jesus Promises the Holy Spirit

15"If you love me, you will obey what I command. 16And I will ask the Father, and he will give you another Counselor to be with you forever