Christians, tell your children there is no Santa Claus

[sierra21]

You know what? That's just ridiculous. You know just as well as I do that ones approach to any situation, issue, argument can be the make-or-break.

It's quite evident that we aren't going to be able to sit down and have a fair discussion on the issue because half the crowd here isn't willing to be honest with themselves.

Half the crowd is unable to back up their reasoning with any scripture.

But the argument isn't really about scripture!

I think every single person who posted on this thread can AGREE that lying to your children is wrong, and it's a sin.

The argument is about whether or not ALLOWING your children to believe in Santa is a sin.

[sierra21]

As CHRISTIANS, it should not matter what the approach.

I believe it does, as evidenced in the verses in my signature.

I didn't say it doesn't, I said it SHOULD not. We should understand that admonishment from a brother would be coming from the Lord our God, and try to listen. Especially when the Word is presented. Remember, Ovedya, God's Word never returns to Him empty.

Okay, so now we're playing games with grammer.

Maybe that's the problem, some people are unable to understand grammer. If things are read the way they are written instead of assuming what is written there would be less confusion.

This will be my last respose to you Sierra, since you are obviously doing your best to draw me into a debate about something other than the topic at hand.

Not surprising Biblicist. This is your always your response to my posts- be insulting, and then sulk off saying it was my fault...

[Guest Biblicist]

Ovedya IS a mod

Now, can we please keep this civilized, folks?

Then Ovedya should be the one to call it like it is. Who is being civil and who is not. If presenting God's Word and offering admonishment is considered uncivil then that is a problem isn't it?

[Vickilynn]

But the argument isn't really about scripture!

Shalom Sierra,

Of course it's about Scripture. That's the WHOLE topic - Scripture vs man's ways.

I think every single person who posted on this thread can AGREE that lying to your children is wrong, and it's a sin.

And yet we have people saying they are going to do it any way so children will be "children", happy" and have "fun." Regardless of the fact that lying is a sin.

The argument is about whether or not ALLOWING your children to believe in Santa is a sin.

If I know my child believes a lie and I do not correct that and replace the lie with the truth, YES, it is a sin. It is a sin to allow our children to believe a lie, if we do nothing to change that and teach them the truth. We are just as culpable and responsible as if WE told the lie ourselves.

If our child believed they were born by the STORK bringing them and we did not correct that and tell them that G-d created them, yes, it's a sin to allow our children to believe a lie, especially that goes against Scripture.

[Emily~Anne]

You know what? That's just ridiculous. You know just as well as I do that ones approach to any situation, issue, argument can be the make-or-break.

It's quite evident that we aren't going to be able to sit down and have a fair discussion on the issue because half the crowd here isn't willing to be honest with themselves.

Half the crowd is unable to back up their reasoning with any scripture.

But the argument isn't really about scripture!

I think every single person who posted on this thread can AGREE that lying to your children is wrong, and it's a sin.

The argument is about whether or not ALLOWING your children to believe in Santa is a sin.

Do you think it is ok for our children to believe that santa is omnipresent?

[sierra21]

You know what? That's just ridiculous. You know just as well as I do that ones approach to any situation, issue, argument can be the make-or-break.

It's quite evident that we aren't going to be able to sit down and have a fair discussion on the issue because half the crowd here isn't willing to be honest with themselves.

Half the crowd is unable to back up their reasoning with any scripture.

But the argument isn't really about scripture!

I think every single person who posted on this thread can AGREE that lying to your children is wrong, and it's a sin.

The argument is about whether or not ALLOWING your children to believe in Santa is a sin.

Do you think it is ok for our children to believe that santa is omnipresent?

I never once said I agreed with this.

I was never told this as a child, and frankly, it creeps me out to think that some kids actually believe this. If my kids were to ask me about this, I would tell them that it's bunk, because it is.

If you go back to my arguments, you will see that I REPEATEDLY include a statement such as this: "as long as it doesn't get out of hand". If my kids took it too far, we would sit down and have a discussion.

As a child though, I never asked about santa because I didn't want to risk not getting a present!

[Emily~Anne]

You know what? This thread is becoming riddled with arguments on who has behaved worse. I myself have offended, (and apologized) and many others have offended too, I wont go into specifics on how as the God's word does say we are not to keep a record. Let's just all get back on having a discussion based on what scripture says on the matter.

I do believe the TOS says we are to debate the topic, not the posters. So lets all have a fresh start and stay on topic ok? (And if anyone goes off topic, please resist the bait of responding)

[Guest Biblicist]

You know what? This thread is becoming riddled with arguments on who has behaved worse. I myself have offended, (and apologized) and many others have offended too, I wont go into specifics on how as the God's word does say we are not to keep a record. Let's just all get back on having a discussion based on what scripture says on the matter.

I do believe the TOS says we are to debate the topic, not the posters. So lets all have a fresh start and stay on topic ok? (And if anyone goes off topic, please resist the bait of responding)

I agree, Emily Anne, wise words.

My apologies.

[sweetycakes]

Ovedya IS a mod

Now, can we please keep this civilized, folks?

Then Ovedya should be the one to call it like it is. Who is being civil and who is not. If presenting God's Word and offering admonishment is considered uncivil then that is a problem isn't it?

I wasn't defending Ovedya, or taking his side.

Personally, I think that Ovedya is largely wrong in this matter, but that is only my own personal opinion.

Nor was I inferring that because Ovedya is a Mod, that he might close this topic down (which he could), but hasn't chosen to do so.

No, I was simply stating that we, as Christians, should be more hospitable to one-another in our discussions, and also that we should maybe 'tone down' our postings, before another mod DOES shut it down.....which would be sad.

[Emily~Anne]

Let's discuss this little part from Sweetie Cakes link: (I dont agree with their KJV stance, but I do think they make a point here with this!)

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