How Were the Jews Saved?

[MeCajunboy]

What Does the Word Say About It?

1 Corinthians 10:1 For I do not want you to be ignorant of the fact, brothers, that our forefathers were all under the cloud and that they all passed through the sea. 2 They were all baptized into Moses in the cloud and in the sea. 3 They all ate the same spiritual food 4 and drank the same spiritual drink; for they drank from the spiritual rock that accompanied them, and that rock was Christ. 5 Nevertheless, God was not pleased with most of them; their bodies were scattered over the desert.

6 Now these things occurred as examples to keep us from setting our hearts on evil things as they did. 7 Do not be idolaters, as some of them were; as it is written: "The people sat down to eat and drink and got up to indulge in pagan revelry." 8 We should not commit sexual immorality, as some of them did--and in one day twenty-three thousand of them died. 9 We should not test the Lord, as some of them did--and were killed by snakes. 10 And do not grumble, as some of them did--and were killed by the destroying angel. 11 These things happened to them as examples and were written down as warnings for us, on whom the fulfillment of the ages has come. 12 So, if you think you are standing firm, be careful that you don't fall!

Hebrews 4:1 Therefore, since the promise of entering his rest still stands, let us be careful that none of you be found to have fallen short of it. 2 For we also have had the gospel preached to us, just as they did; but the message they heard was of no value to them, because those who heard did not combine it with faith. 3 Now we who have believed enter that rest, just as God has said, "So I declared on oath in my anger, 'They shall never enter my rest.'" 3 And yet his work has been finished since the creation of the world. 4 For somewhere he has spoken about the seventh day in these words: "And on the seventh day God rested from all his work." 5 And again in the passage above he says, "They shall never enter my rest." 6 It still remains that some will enter that rest, and those who formerly had the gospel preached to them did not go in, because of their disobedience.

What Do You Think?

How Were the Jews saved?

In His Love,

Suzanne

Good points Sue, You know something caught my attention in your first paragraph. ( 5 Nevertheless, God was not pleased with most of them; their bodies were scattered over the desert. ) This reminded me of how I felt and discerned the catastrophe for many here in New Orleans, La when Hurricane Katrina struck. There was much evil to be felt prior to the storm for many years I used to wonder how God would deal with all the sin and degradation here. Sad thing is that much of it is coming back. Homosexuality, drugs adultery, drunkeness, theft and much more. And I am discerning that God is not finished with this lost city that is trying to do a repeat of earlier times. Bet you God will win!

Blessings

Cajunboy

[Vickilynn]

I SO agree vickilynn. But, that does not guarantee that someone will still not be offended.

Shalom Suzanne,

Then how about showing us some obedience by showing humbleness and gentleness in your posts rather than defensiveness? An apology and humbleness goes a long way when it is shown that condescension and condemnation are your norm. Instead of defending it by attacking other Believers.

[Vickilynn]

Could we say that faith IS believing unto obedience?

No.

Faith (where salvation is concerned) is believing unto righteousness (Rom. 10:10). Obedience is the outworking of salvation and the evidence of faith.

Shalom,

Needed to be said again.

[tsth]

Let's ask the question again. How important is obedience?

Would Noah have been saved in the flood if he had not obeyed what God told him? How important was it for him to obey what he heard? How important was it to Jesus Christ and what He taught?

Let's look at what Jesus said in Matthew 28, again:

Matthew 28:18 Then Jesus came to them and said, "All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me. 19 Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, 20 and teaching them to obey everything I have commanded you. And surely I am with you always, to the very end of the age."

In His Love,

Suzanne

[Vickilynn]

In the Old Testament, as in the New Testament, Salvation is always procured the same way. Salvation has alway been by grace through faith in the Messiah. The Jewish people in the OT were looking forward to the cross, and we are now looking back. But the focal point for both is the same.

The Jews were saved the same way we are saved today.

Shalom Suzanne,

Salvation is by GRACE THROUGH FAITH. Not by anything we do. Period.

However, once we are saved, we are to walk in obedience.

if you're talking salvation, it is nothing other than GRACE THROUGH FAITH IN THE MESSIAH.

This says it clearly - this is the only way of salvation:

Ephesians 2

8For by grace you have been saved through faith. And this is not your own doing; it is the gift of God, 9 not a result of works,so that no one may boast.

Ephesians 2

1) And you were dead in the trespasses and sins 2 in which you once walked, following the course of this world, following)the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that is now at work in the sons of disobedience

[tsth]

It's almost as if you keep bringing up "salvation" in this issue, to be able to get off the "obedience" issue. Again, nobody has said obedience saves us. What I have continually asked is, why do you dismiss the teachings on "obedience", even by trying to bring up salvation, when it is not the question? The question is, "how important is obedience"?

Reminds me of this passage:

Hebrews 5:12 In fact, though by this time you ought to be teachers, you need someone to teach you the elementary truths of God's word all over again. You need milk, not solid food! 13 Anyone who lives on milk, being still an infant, is not acquainted with the teaching about righteousness. 14 But solid food is for the mature, who by constant use have trained themselves to distinguish good from evil.

Hebrews 6:1 Therefore let us leave the elementary teachings about Christ and go on to maturity, not laying again the foundation of repentance from acts that lead to death, and of faith in God, 2 instruction about baptisms, the laying on of hands, the resurrection of the dead, and eternal judgment. 3 And God permitting, we will do so. 4 It is impossible for those who have once been enlightened, who have tasted the heavenly gift, who have shared in the Holy Spirit, 5 who have tasted the goodness of the word of God and the powers of the coming age, 6 if they fall away, to be brought back to repentance, because to their loss they are crucifying the Son of God all over again and subjecting him to public disgrace. 7 Land that drinks in the rain often falling on it and that produces a crop useful to those for whom it is farmed receives the blessing of God. 8 But land that produces thorns and thistles is worthless and is in danger of being cursed. In the end it will be burned.

9 Even though we speak like this, dear friends, we are confident of better things in your case--things that accompany salvation.

Let's talk about obedience without contention. Can we?

In His Love,

Suzanne

[tsth]

Can you really have faith, saving faith without works/obedience?

James 2:14 What good is it, my brothers, if a man claims to have faith but has no deeds? Can such faith save him? 15 Suppose a brother or sister is without clothes and daily food. 16 If one of you says to him, "Go, I wish you well; keep warm and well fed," but does nothing about his physical needs, what good is it? 17 In the same way, faith by itself, if it is not accompanied by action, is dead. 18 But someone will say, "You have faith; I have deeds." Show me your faith without deeds, and I will show you my faith by what I do. 19 You believe that there is one God. Good! Even the demons believe that--and shudder. 20 You foolish man, do you want evidence that faith without deeds is useless? 21 Was not our ancestor Abraham considered righteous for what he did when he offered his son Isaac on the altar? 22 You see that his faith and his actions were working together, and his faith was made complete by what he did. 23 And the scripture was fulfilled that says, "Abraham believed God, and it was credited to him as righteousness," and he was called God's friend. 24 You see that a person is justified by what he does and not by faith alone. 25 In the same way, was not even Rahab the prostitute considered righteous for what she did when she gave lodging to the spies and sent them off in a different direction? 26 As the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without deeds is dead.

In His Love,

Suzanne

[Redefine_Me]

Could we say that faith IS believing unto obedience?

No.

Faith (where salvation is concerned) is believing unto righteousness (Rom. 10:10). Obedience is the outworking of salvation and the evidence of faith.

Shiloh, your statement was very helpful to me. Thank you!

[Vickilynn]

It's almost as if you keep bringing up "salvation" in this issue, to be able to get off the "obedience" issue. Again, nobody has said obedience saves us. What I have continually asked is, why do you dismiss the teachings on "obedience", even by trying to bring up salvation, when it is not the question? The question is, "how important is obedience"?

Shalom Suzanne,

It IS the question, you should know that. YOU started this thread. Maybe you should read it again You entitled it" How Were the Jews Saved?".

What Do You Think?

How Were the Jews saved?

That is why I am relating this to SALVATION because that's what you asked.

Why don't you start another thread on what you really want to say? It seems you had another agenda in mind, but the question you asked is about salvation.

It has been answered : by grace through faith in Messiah

[Vickilynn]

Could we say that faith IS believing unto obedience?

No.

Faith (where salvation is concerned) is believing unto righteousness (Rom. 10:10). Obedience is the outworking of salvation and the evidence of faith.

Shiloh, your statement was very helpful to me. Thank you!

Shalom,

Amen. It is the simple truth from Scripture. The Jews, and us, are saved by grace through faith in Messiah, not by works. Ephesians 2.