How Were the Jews Saved?

[tsth]

Thank you brother. That is VERY clear and very much out in the light! How can you question the Holy Scriptures!

In His Love,

Suzanne

[Vickilynn]

Shalom Dennis,

I'm sorry, but the Jews were NOT saved by their works, only by their faith in the Messiah. The Law did not save. The Law only showed them and us our sin and need for a Savior. If obeying the Law could save, there would be no need for Jesus' sacrifice.

Romans 8:

2 For the law of the Spirit of life has set you free in Christ Jesus from the law of sin and death.

3For God has done what the law, weakened by the flesh, could not do. By sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh and for sin, he condemned sin in the flesh, 4 in order that the righteous requirement of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not according to the flesh but according to the Spirit.

Galatians 3:

7Know then that it is those of faith who are the sons of Abraham. 8And the Scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the Gentiles by faith, preached the gospel beforehand to Abraham, saying, "In you shall all the nations be blessed." 9So then, those who are of faith are blessed along with Abraham, the man of faith.

10For all who rely on works of the law are under a curse; for it is written, "Cursed be everyone who does not abide by all things written in the Book of the Law, and do them."

11Now it is evident that no one is justified before God by the law, for "The righteous shall live by faith."[d]

12But the law is not of faith, rather "The one who does them shall live by them." 13Christ redeemed us from the curse of the law by becoming a curse for us

[Pilgrim7]

Peace to you Vickilynn,

You must have misunderstood my post. I did not say that anybody was saved by their works, just that the Scriptures says that all are saved or created unto good works which would include obedinece to God and His word. Thus they are a part of Salvation and if missing, then Salvation is missing.

Yes the Jews were saved by Grace through faith in Jesus, saved from sin for obedience and righteousness just as we are saved from sin for obedience and righteousness.

No one is saved by obedience, but they very well can be lost by disobedience. Jesus forgiveness will not cover continued willfull presumptuous sin or disobedience of God's law or word.

I think that John was very clear in his teaching here. He is contrasting the difference between the real children of God, the wheat, and 'professed children', the tares, who draw near to him with their mouths, and honor Him with their lips, while their hearts are far from Him, for He doesn't dwell therein keeping them from presumptuous sin.

Heb 10:26 For if we sin wilfully (known presumptuous sin such as breaking the commandments) after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remains no more sacrifice for sins,

10:27 But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries.

10:28 He that despised Moses' law died without mercy under two or three witnesses:

10:29 Of how much worse punishment,do you suppose we shall he be thought worthy, who has trodden under foot the Son of God, and has counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and has done despite to the Spirit of grace?

10:30 For we know him that has said, Vengeance belongs to me, I will recompense, saith the Lord. And again, The Lord shall judge his people.

10:31 It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God.

Just another Scripture that you won't hear from the pulpit.

Justification is just the beginning of the Salvation process. Its time to be about the process of sanctification, without which no one will be saved. To begin is good, but worthless if we don't press on toward the mark of holiness in Christ and finish the course and as Paul told Timothy, that we are to strive lawfully or in obedience to the Law.

God bless you,

Dennis

[Vickilynn]

Peace to you Vickilynn,

I did not say that anybody was saved by their works, <snip>

Shalom to you Brother Dennis,

The QUESTION of this thread is "How Were the Jews Saved"" So, your answer had to be applied in that context and in that, there is no misunderstanding. We are not saved by our works.

Then, you and I agree, NO ONE, not Jews, not us, not anyone can be saved except by grace through faith in the Messiah.

Once someone is saved, then we are required to walk in obedience.

[Pilgrim7]

Vickilynn,

Amen Sister!!!

As you know threads take twists and turns and there are many issues that relate to the original issue. This issue was brought up and thus I commented on it. It is up to the discretion of the OP to take or allow the thread to go where they wish. This is a valid concern, for there are so many who want to say that since there are no works required to be saved, then there are no works required in the salvation process, period. A valid issue in light of such teaching.

God Bless You,

Dennis

[Agape_CTL]

Works are not needed to be saved but they will happen in the life of a believer if they have any time left in their life. Look at the theif on the cross next to Jesus. He had no chance to do any good works. It was his faith in Christ that got him into heaven. It is by God's grace that faith in God's Word is what gets a person into heaven.

I do believe that good works are proof we can see in this world of a persons faith mainifested. Obedience will happen in the life of the believer. A believer will naturally follow God's Word (Obedience) through his faith, which leads to good works.

Trying to do good works to get into heaven is like cleaning the outside of the cup to make it clean to drink from. We all know Jesus' teaching on this.

So the Jews were saved by their faith in God's Word.

I am not sure if everyone was going in this direction. This is how I have understood God's Word on this topic.

[Agape_CTL]

Obedience will be the desire of the believer. A lot of people outside and inside of the church see obedience as a difficult chore. As the process of sanctification progresses in a believer's life, obedience will not be a chore. It becomes the natural response of a believer. Thus, the fruit of the Spirit is shown in the believer's life. We won't get it right every time, but God's grace covers us and He sees what we did right for Him.

Thank God for Jesus' righteousness, the only righteousness that gets into heaven.

[Vickilynn]

Works are not needed to be saved but they will happen in the life of a believer if they have any time left in their life. Look at the theif on the cross next to Jesus. He had no chance to do any good works. It was his faith in Christ that got him into heaven. It is by God's grace that faith in God's Word is what gets a person into heaven.

I do believe that good works are proof we can see in this world of a persons faith mainifested. Obedience will happen in the life of the believer. A believer will naturally follow God's Word (Obedience) through his faith, which leads to good works.

Trying to do good works to get into heaven is like cleaning the outside of the cup to make it clean to drink from. We all know Jesus' teaching on this.

So the Jews were saved by their faith in God's Word.

I am not sure if everyone was going in this direction. This is how I have understood God's Word on this topic.

Shalom Agape,

Thanks for your reply. You are correct, works are NOT required for salvation. Also you mentioned that we would see "proof" of someone's salvation. That is not always true. We are not G-d and we don't see all. Only HE knows if someone is saved and where they are in their walk, not us. It i snot our job to judge that either.

People will desire to do good works once they are saved, but neither the Jews nor any of us were saved by works, only by grace through FAITH.