Just Wondering?

[tsth]

The first thing I feel led to bring to focus, is this:

What is the pattern for a nation in rebellion? There is a specific process in accordance with God's will. What happens to it? What do the prophets share and what is the historical pattern of the OT?

In His Love,

Suzanne

[JesusisGod2]

Hi Suzanne and company ,

It seems God keeps bringing me back to the book of Joel, the third chapter in particular.

Joel 3:1 "For behold, in those days, and in that time, when I shall bring again the captivity of Judah and Jerusalem"

Now God is speaking here of the last days in this particular chapter, and He speaks of the captivity of Judah and Jerusalem.

Now I have read a book and heard commentaries that Judah represents the USA and of course Jerusalem is Israel, now if this is true, then it appears that we will both have a hostile take over and it appears lose our soverienty as a nation.

This is too hard to believe, seeing as President Clinton had signed it away right before he turned over the watch to Bush, and Bush put a stop to that as one of his first moves in office.

Also with the EU growing in leaps and bounds, which consist basically of the same super powers as the UN minus who else--The U.S.A. also it looks as if the EU is offering the entire middle east World Trade Organization membership! I really think that the UN is on its way out. And I think you can see where I am headed with this, but before I go too far, any thoughts.

In Jesus

Kevin

[tsth]

Jeremiah 33:24 24 "Have you not considered what these people have spoken, saying, 'The two families which the Lord has chosen, He has also cast them off'?

We are on the same track, and I still go back to the question, what is the pattern of a nation in rebellion to God? What happens in it, and to it?

In His Love,

Suzanne

[JesusisGod2]

Hi Sis,

Great scripture referance in Jerimiah.

Now I noticed one thing that happens to a nation rebells against God is that they first eliminate or reject God as their authoritive guide. Is this the direction you are going?

[JesusisGod2]

Hey Suzanne,

Where would be a good place to look at, to get a good overview and let God speak of what you have on your heart?

There are so many things that seem to take place when a nation rebels against God, but God is so patient. These same rebellions all start on an individual level.

It usually starts with a rebellion to the first commandment , Thou shall have no other God before me.

[tsth]

Hi Sis,

Great scripture referance in Jerimiah.

Now I noticed one thing that happens to a nation rebells against God is that they first eliminate or reject God as their authoritive guide. Is this the direction you are going?

Yes, that is the direction.

What are some other references to a nation in rebellion, and what exactly were they doing? It seems that in the case of Sodom and Gomorrah, it was right in line with Romans 1, wouldn't you say? Also, in line with Jeremiah 2:11, and Psalms 106:20. As you can see, OT and NT are still very much connected. Then the progression moves on to Psalms 107. The patterns of the OT, are still relevant to today. They are in progress now, and that's the part we must recognize. Just like Daniel, we must also ask, "What time is it"?

In His Love,

Suzanne

[tsth]

Again I ask, read the prophets, what are they saying to a nation in rebellion? What does that nation look like, what are the people doing, the priests/preachers in our case, the leaders? What do you see in the prophets about the nation and the church? See the specifics and let's see if we can point them out in terms of what exactly is going on, and if you can identify the similarities with us/our nation.

In His Love,

Suzanne

[Guest shiloh357]

I believe that Ezekiel, especially chapter eight and Isaiah one are very good examples of the rebelliousness of ancient Israel, and what God had to say about them. Ezekiel 8 shows us what they were doing. In fact, it almost explains God's scathing remarks given in Isaiah 1.

[tsth]

Thank you Shiloh,

I'll be looking at them this morning.

In His Love,

Suzanne

[tsth]

Isaiah 1

Speaks of oppression. Who is oppressed? Those who stand on Truth.

Speaks of defending the cause of the fatherless. What cause is of the fatherless? I cannot think of a bigger cause of the fatherless, than abortion.

The case of the widow? Who is this? Maybe the elderly who is left alone, with no care nor defense, who is preyed upon by deceit and covetousness.

There are many examples of what is happening today.

I would compel you to also look at Ezekiel 7.

In His Truth,

Suzanne