Gay and lesbian ministers

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Excerpt from:

Ten Lies the Church Tells Women

By J. Lee Grady

The most common mistake we make in biblical interpretation occurs when we take one isolated verse and build a doctrine around it - even if the verse seems to contradict other passages. This is often what we do with 1 Tim. 2:12, "I do not allow a woman to teach or exercise authority over a man" (NASB).

Most theologians believe that this passage was addressing an isolated situation in Ephesus. They came to this conclusion after studying the myriad of references in the Bible to women in spiritual authority. The Old Testament records that Deborah was a judge over Israel, and God blessed her leadership in battle (see Judges. 4-5). Other women who held authority over men include Miriam, Huldah and Noadiah.

Jesus issued His first gospel commission to women (see Matt. 28:1-10), and both men and women were empowered to preach on the day of Pentecost (Acts 2:1-4). Priscilla, Chloe and Phoebe were leaders in the early church, and one woman, Junia, is called an apostle by Paul (Rom. 16:7).

The promise of the prophet Joel was that "sons and daughters" would prophesy after the Holy Spirit was given to the church (Joel 2:28, emphasis added). Yet we have taken one misunderstood verse from Paul's writings and used it to negate hundreds of other passages that support the full release of women into ministry.

J. Lee Grady, author of Ten Lies the Church Tells Women http://www.cbeinternational.org

[JP1]

Decision making... as apposed to teaching. That's the difference. Anybody can teach, and with all honesty anybody can make decisions. But, I don't know why, but i believe that God would have men lead, and women under that leadership.

And so how do you explain Deborah?

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Thank you, JIG2 and S&L.

How sad that so many women have bought the lie that ministry over the back yard fence, or at the kitchen table of someone in need is somehow not as glamorous or important as standing behind a pulpit.

Unfortunately, even the church has bought into the world's attempt (and the world has succeeded) at diminishing and invalidating the beautiful good given role of "woman". The world has tried (and succeeded) to make no distinction between male and female, has brainwashed and lied to females who now are helplessly lost and miserable in what they thought was supposed to make them happy. (you can have it ALL! You are JUST AS GOOD AS A MAN!! You don't HAVE TO STAY HOME AND BAKE COOKIES!".) Even a recent President's wife spoke publicly with sarcasm and disdain for women who chose tradidional roles. Not only was that traditional role misrepresented as 'worthless' and 'boring', but none of the exciting and important parts of it were encouraged. Satan is alive and well in getting rid of the differences between man and woman, and it is sad that the church is following right along.

How many men have paid calls to hurting parishioners and held their hands and cried with them and held them? Few men are equipped with the ability to nurture and would be extremely uncomfortable offering that much needed ministry. There are reasons that God set things up the way He did, and it's not because he wanted to be mean. He had a perfect plan, and knew which of His creation was better at what. Nurture is the cornerstone of life, family and ministry, and now the women are being told they should be out there as Preachers, Evangelists, Careers etc(don't you dare let anyone tell you you can't do what a man can do!!!!" ), so who is the nurturing in the world left to? And it's just going to keep going downhill.

Say 'hi' to your wives for me, and give him this -

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and now the women are being told they should be out there as Preachers, Evangelists, Careers etc(don't you dare let anyone tell you you can't do what a man can do!!

What do you suggest I tell my daughter when she says "I want to be a (fill in the blank)"? Am I to say "Sorry, honey, you're a girl. Girls can't do that."

[Guest mcm42]

What do you suggest I tell my daughter when she says "I want to be a (fill in the blank)"? Am I to say "Sorry, honey, you're a girl. Girls can't do that."

Yep...

[Guest kitkat]

(you can have it ALL! You are JUST AS GOOD AS A MAN!! You don't HAVE TO STAY HOME AND BAKE COOKIES!".)

Amen to that one!

Being a self-made business woman myself, actually I prefer to throw leg of lamb on the grill when I'm at home, as opposed to baking cookies!

Kitkat

[papasangel]

I understand that but how can a "Christian" accept what God Himself says is an abomidation? I think that there are some "Christians" out there who need to step back and give themselves a reality check and really examine their reasoning in condoning this.

[papasangel]

If someone is preaching the Word of God and their lives do not reflect the values that God upholds (concerning homosexuality espeially) then how can we allow them to defile the pulpit? Homosexuality is a sin and the Bible is clear on that. If a man or woman is preaching God's Word and they openly or even in the closet practice such activity then they are sinning against God. Would you want to condone this sin? I wouldn't.

[senerhu]

I believe the Word of God is forever growing. Jesus taught this during His time here. It makes no sense why the teachings of God would not adapt to todays world. Women who have a gift for teaching must be blessed by God or they wouldn't have the knack. It is up to us to adapt. It is not stated that it is sinnful for women to teach. But it is stated that it is sinnful for homosexuals to practice their deviant form of pleasure.IMHO

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If someone is preaching the Word of God and their lives do not reflect the values that God upholds (concerning homosexuality espeially) then how can we allow them to defile the pulpit?  Homosexuality is a sin and the Bible is clear on that.  If a man or woman is preaching God's Word and they openly or even in the closet practice such activity then they are sinning against God.  Would you want to condone this sin?  I wouldn't.

I don't know anybody that would, papasangel, except other homosexuals . . .