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Sorry, but I have to disagree in part. I believe that God is Jesus incarnate. God used Jesus as the Human Symbol for mankind because many would not be able to comprehend or understand the God of Heaven. I don't think God is of Human Flesh, although HE is quite capable of producing Human flesh of man so man has something tangible to relate to. I believe we will all be as spirits/angels in a sense in the hereafter. But the one or two sitings that have described God in the Bible only spoke of "a brilliant bright light that was viewed a pure as driven snow. Or as when God appeared in the "burning bush." I also believe that the many script/versus you propose are merely synonyms or terms we can use to ascimilate that God is real and present.

Have to agree with you 100% Cajun. I was going to add something, but you have said it just "spot on".


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Sorry, but I have to disagree in part. I believe that God is Jesus incarnate. God used Jesus as the Human Symbol for mankind because many would not be able to comprehend or understand the God of Heaven. I don't think God is of Human Flesh, although HE is quite capable of producing Human flesh of man so man has something tangible to relate to. I believe we will all be as spirits/angels in a sense in the hereafter. But the one or two sitings that have described God in the Bible only spoke of "a brilliant bright light that was viewed a pure as driven snow. Or as when God appeared in the "burning bush." I also believe that the many script/versus you propose are merely synonyms or terms we can use to ascimilate that God is real and present.

Have to agree with you 100% Cajun. I was going to add something, but you have said it just "spot on".

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Hay buck, your agreeing with nothing at all, Lots of words, but no Scripture to back up what MeCajunboy says? A God who could not make Himself understood, and who inspired men to write a book that could not be understood is no God at all. The Bible is a simple book to understand because it was given by God to be understood by the simple. Jesus thanked God that the truths of the Bible were hidden from the worldly wise who refused to believe, and stated that God has "revealed them unto babes" (Matt. 11:25-27).

Jesus gives the reason the truths are hidden from anyone because they refuse to humble themselves to believe and to conform to the Bible. Read it for yourselves; . . . .

"And the disciples came, and said unto him, Why speakest thou unto them in parables? He answered and said unto them, Because it is given unto you to know the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven, but to them it is not given. For whosoever hath, to him shall be given, and he shall have more abundance: but whosoever hath not, from him shall be taken away even that he hath. Therefore speak I to them in parables: because they seeing see not; and hearing they hear not, neither do they understand. And in them is fulfilled the prophecy of Esaias, which saith, By hearing ye shall hear, and shall not understand; and seeing ye shall see, and shall not perceive. For this people's heart is waxed gross, and their ears are dull of hearing, and their eyes they have closed; lest at any time they should see with their eyes and hear with their ears, and should understand with their heart, and should be converted, and I should heal them. But blessed are your eyes, for they see: and your ears, for they hear. For verily I say unto you, That many prophets and righteous men have desired to see those things which ye see, and have not seen them; and to hear those things which ye hear, and have not heard them" (Matt. 13:10-17).

Jesus speakes of the devil taking the Word from the hearts of men lest it should bring forth fruit; "When any one heareth the word of the kingdom, and understandeth it not, then cometh the wicked one, and catcheth away that which was sown in his heart. This is he which received seed by the way side" (Matt. 13:19-23).

No man can get the vastness of the Bible at once. The most simple beginners can understand the Bible one line at a time, for this is the way it was given, and it is the best way to understand it.

" Whom shall he teach knowledge? and whom shall he make to understand doctrine? them that are weaned from the milk, and drawn from the breasts. For precept must be upon precept, precept upon precept; line upon line, line upon line; here a little, and there a little: For with stammering lips and another tongue will he speak to this people. To whom he said, This is the rest wherewith ye may cause the weary to rest; and this is the refreshing: yet they would not hear. But the word of the LORD was unto them precept upon precept, precept upon precept; line upon line, line upon line; here a little, and there a little; that they might go, and fall backward, and be broken, and snared, and taken" (Isa. 28:9-13).

God is a God of mercy, a God of love, and Justice and God can not, and will not judge people based on a book written in such a way as to confuse people, or which needs interpretation by experts.

Anyone who understands the most simple human language can undserstand what it says. Every time any group of persons reads a particular part of the Bible they all read the same thing. If they should read it again, it would still be the same. If they were asked what the passage says they could all do it without exception. If they can tell what it says, and if they can read what it says, then they can all believe what it says; and that is all that is necessary to understand the Bible.

A God who could not make Himself clear, or had to be interpreted evey time He said something, would be no God at all. Almost any human being can express themselves clearly enough to be understood. Furthermore, a God who could could make Himself clear and chose to do otherwise in such a way as to confuse and hide from man those things He seeks to reveal to man, would not be worth hearing. A God that gave man a revelation and deliberately sought to hide it from man, and then judge him for not being able to understand it, would be a tyrant and not a God of love and justice.

Many ask, how and why was the Bible given to man?

Well, over fourty different authors wrote the sixty six books of the Bible during a period of over 1,800 years; and they all had one theme, and that is, the revealation and redemption of the human race by God through Jesus Christ and the Holy Spirit. These books were written by men from all walks of life such as kings, priests, judges, lawyers, princes, shepherds, soldiers, courtiers, statesmen, musicians, inventors, singers, poets, preachers, prophets, fishermen, farmers, tent makers, publicans, physicians, richmen and poor men. They were written in many various lands of three continents, Europe, Asia, and Africa. They were written in different ages by many men, some who never ever saw each other or even knew what the others wrote on the same subjecs, yet when their writings became one book, there is not one contradiction among them.

There is perfect unity between all the books of the Bible, which speak of the hundreds of subjects in the realm of religion, politics, science, etc. This proves there is one divine author for all the sixty-six books. Who but a divine author could produce such a work. This is why the rich and famous refuse to believe God's Word, and they make up their own rules regarding what they want to believe.


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Help me understand. What is the disagreement here. Are we arguing about whether Jesus was God or not?


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It appears the argument is about whether God is or is not Jesus incarnate.

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"And it shall come to pass, that whosoever shall call on the name of the Lord shall be saved." Acts 2:21

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God was on a throne, and had on white cloths, and His hair was white. The Son of man also had a body, had cloths on, and had hair on His head (Dan. 7:9-14; 10:5-6). Stephen saw both God and Christ at the same time and place with the same eyes (Acts 7:56-59).

I Love You Dearly Brother

And You Bring Up The Question Of All Questions - Who Is Jesus Of Nazareth?

Another Look At The LORD Jesus Christ

"And in the midst of the seven candlesticks one like unto the Son of man, clothed with a garment down to the foot, and girt about the paps with a golden girdle.

His head and his hairs were white like wool, as white as snow; and his eyes were as a flame of fire;

And his feet like unto fine brass, as if they burned in a furnace; and his voice as the sound of many waters.

And he had in his right hand seven stars: and out of his mouth went a sharp twoedged sword: and his countenance was as the sun shineth in his strength.

And when I saw him, I fell at his feet as dead. And he laid his right hand upon me, saying unto me, Fear not; I am the first and the last:

I am he that liveth, and was dead; and, behold, I am alive for evermore, Amen; and have the keys of hell and of death." Revelation 1:13-18

What A Wonder He Is!

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Did You Hear What God Did!

"And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth." John 1:14

Did You Know Dear One, God Walked Among Us!

"Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call his name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, God with us." Matthew 1:23

Even Patience Brother Job Saw Him!

"For I know that my redeemer liveth, and that he shall stand at the latter day upon the earth:" Job 19:25

Dear Brother Isaiah Saw Him

"For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counseller, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace." Isaiah 9:6

And Beloved John Saw Jesus The LORD

"These shall make war with the Lamb, and the Lamb shall overcome them: for he is Lord of lords, and King of kings: and they that are with him are called, and chosen, and faithful." Revelation 17:14

Jesus The Judge

"For to this end Christ both died, and rose, and revived, that he might be Lord both of the dead and living.

But why dost thou judge thy brother? or why dost thou set at nought thy brother? for we shall all stand before the judgment seat of Christ.

For it is written, As I live, saith the Lord, every knee shall bow to me, and every tongue shall confess to God.

So then every one of us shall give account of himself to God." Romans 14:9-12

Upon The Throne

"And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them.

And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.

And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.

And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.

And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire." Revelation 20:11-15

With Tears And Joy I Stand With Brother Thomas And Say....

"And Thomas answered and said unto him, My Lord and my God." John 20:28

What A Wonder He Is!

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Jesus Is LORD!

"Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God is one LORD:" Deuteronomy 6:4

LORD OF LORDS AND KING OF KINGS

"And I saw heaven opened, and behold a white horse; and he that sat upon him was called Faithful and True, and in righteousness he doth judge and make war.

His eyes were as a flame of fire, and on his head were many crowns; and he had a name written, that no man knew, but he himself.

And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God.

And the armies which were in heaven followed him upon white horses, clothed in fine linen, white and clean.

And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he should smite the nations: and he shall rule them with a rod of iron: and he treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God.

And he hath on his vesture and on his thigh a name written, KING OF KINGS, AND LORD OF LORDS." Revelation 19:11-16

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The LORD bless thee, and keep thee:

The LORD make his face shine upon thee, and be gracious unto thee:

The LORD lift up his countenance upon thee, and give thee peace.

And they shall put my name upon the children of Israel; and I will bless them. Numbers 6:24-27

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Gen 1:26

Then God said "Let Us make man in Our own image, according to Our likeness.......

verse 27

So God created man in His own image.....

Gen ch. 3:22

Then the Lord God said, "Behold, the man has become like ONE of Us (Notice the verse does not say Behold the man has become LIKE US , but rather like One of Us)

1 Corith.15:47-49 The 1st man was of the earth, made of dust; the 2nd Man is the Lord from heaven. As was the man of dust, so also are those who are made of dust; and as is the heavenly Man, so also are those who are heavenly. And as we have borne the IMAGE of the man of dust, we shall ALSO bear the IMAGE of the heavenly Man.

Gen 5:1,3

This is the book of the Genealogy of Adam. In the day that God created man, He made him in the likeness of God. (In the day that God created Adam, God made Adam in His likeness)

verse 3

And Adam lived 130 years, and begot a son In his OWN LIKENESS, after his OWN IMAGE, and named him Seth.

If you are born-again, then you bear the image of the of the man of dust and also the image of the heavenly Man.

If you are not born-again, you only bear the image of the man of dust. Gen 3:19 For dust you ARE, and to dust you shall return.


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Very Interesting Yasway but have not gone into the theology of it.

Jacshan


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Fraught wrote
"why in the world would God have a body'
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For the same reason every living being has one. God made man in His image and likeness, so that means He looks like us, and we look like Him. God made us in His image and likeness, and if He does not have a body, how come you have a body? Common sense must prevail.

"And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth" (Gen. 1:26).

The thing about being created free moral agents is that we can either believe the Scriptures or not believe them. I have posted many dozens of Scriptures which proves God has a body. If God does not have a body, then there must be as many if not more Scriptures showing this. I have found over 500 Scriptures which show God has a body. There must be at least that many showing he does not have one if this is true?

so when He says the earth is His footstool, is He resting His feet on the earth????


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Fraught wrote
"why in the world would God have a body'
.

For the same reason every living being has one. God made man in His image and likeness, so that means He looks like us, and we look like Him. God made us in His image and likeness, and if He does not have a body, how come you have a body? Common sense must prevail.

"And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth" (Gen. 1:26).

The thing about being created free moral agents is that we can either believe the Scriptures or not believe them. I have posted many dozens of Scriptures which proves God has a body. If God does not have a body, then there must be as many if not more Scriptures showing this. I have found over 500 Scriptures which show God has a body. There must be at least that many showing he does not have one if this is true?

so when He says the earth is His footstool, is He resting His feet on the earth????

Thats right, ignore all the scriptures which clearly and plainly state God has a body just to hang on to your pet theory. We know Jesus walked the earth in His body. It is also stated in Scripture that Jesus is a door (John 10:7), so was He a door or was He not a door? Using our God given common sense we know he was not a door so that shoots down your petty argument.


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Thats right, ignore all the scriptures which clearly and plainly state God has a body just to hang on to your pet theory. We know Jesus walked the earth in His body. It is also stated in Scripture that Jesus is a door (John 10:7), so was He a door or was He not a door? Using our God given common sense we know he was not a door so that shoots down your petty argument.

One could use what you just said to refute your claim that God has a physical body. Just sharing my thought. :cool:

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