Where would your boundary be in a relationship with a wiccan relative?

[Guest LadyC]

I had to stay with a high school friend last year who is baptist. She knows of my beliefs and wasn't freaked to have me around her little girl because I repect her and love her.

? Do you not consider Baptists to be Christians then?

in that same post, ladyoflight said she only accepted Christ last month. that means at the time that she was staying with her baptist friend, she (if i understand correctly) as a practicing wiccan.

[~~ angelique ~~]

I had to stay with a high school friend last year who is baptist. She knows of my beliefs and wasn't freaked to have me around her little girl because I repect her and love her.

? Do you not consider Baptists to be Christians then?

in that same post, ladyoflight said she only accepted Christ last month. that means at the time that she was staying with her baptist friend, she (if i understand correctly) as a practicing wiccan.

That is exactly right. As a practicing Wiccan, she allowed me into her home.

[Emily~Anne]

Hmmm.. I started a debate. Guess I should have known.

My aunt is flesh and blood, but so are my children, and they are of higher priority than my aunt and I will look out for their needs first. I love my aunt so, so, so dearly. And believe me, my heart does break for her. But I must do the rght thing by my children. God has entrusted us with a great responsibility with our children. I intend to do my best. We were in her house for 10 days. I prayed and prayed and prayed. Me and my husband would pray while everyone else was in bed, we went on a walk every day and prayed together as a family. We prayed and prayed and prayed. Galen, who just turned 4 a month ago, started having nightmares. He was terrified of all the faeries and mystic type dolls she had all over the house. They werent scary looking, yet Galen was terrified of them. He had nightmares ever night and started having temper tantrums every day. He would scream and cry and say he was going to throw up. We cut our trip short and got out of there. We had no money and 1/4 a tank of gas, as money was not to come through for two more days. We pulled up to a gas station on 'E' and no money. (and we were 1300 miles from home) We prayed in the van and the money came though. Since that day we left, Galen has been a happy bubbly little boy with not a single temper tantrum. Before this trip, we had some trouble with getting Galen to pray with us and be respectful of prayer. But since this trip, he now closes his eyes and bows his head for all prayer. We are not going back there again. My children are much too important. Now I need to figure out what I am to do about phone calls and is she welcome to come here?

[~~ angelique ~~]

Hmmm.. I started a debate. Guess I should have known.

My aunt is flesh and blood, but so are my children, and they are of higher priority than my aunt and I will look out for their needs first. I love my aunt so, so, so dearly. And believe me, my heart does break for her. But I must do the rght thing by my children. God has entrusted us with a great responsibility with our children. I intend to do my best. We were in her house for 10 days. I prayed and prayed and prayed. Me and my husband would pray while everyone else was in bed, we went on a walk every day and prayed together as a family. We prayed and prayed and prayed. Galen, who just turned 4 a month ago, started having nightmares. He was terrified of all the faeries and mystic type dolls she had all over the house. They werent scary looking, yet Galen was terrified of them. He had nightmares ever night and started having temper tantrums every day. He would scream and cry and say he was going to throw up. We cut our trip short and got out of there. We had no money and 1/4 a tank of gas, as money was not to come through for two more days. We pulled up to a gas station on 'E' and no money. (and we were 1300 miles from home) We prayed in the van and the money came though. Since that day we left, Galen has been a happy bubbly little boy with not a single temper tantrum. Before this trip, we had some trouble with getting Galen to pray with us and be respectful of prayer. But since this trip, he now closes his eyes and bows his head for all prayer. We are not going back there again. My children are much too important. Now I need to figure out what I am to do about phone calls and is she welcome to come here?

My views on this come from being rejected by christians who thought they could catch something from me. Putting all of that aside, I would have to say that your number one priority would be your kids - how that will work out in your family life depends on what God tells you to do.

[Guest LadyC]

as i told you in the other thread in the ladies lounge, you did the right thing by leaving. (i couldn't remember if that was you in the other thread til now!) your son was having an adverse reaction and you needed to leave that house. AND you stepped out in faith, trusting God to provide the means for you to leave. that is also a valuable lesson for your child to learn. and praise God for allowing this learning opportunity to come your way! you may think it's an odd way to look at it, but God used your aunt for His glory!

this doesn't negate anything i said though. i think this is a very critical time for you to start teaching your son to join with you in prayer against the occult's influence on your aunt. to teach him to pray for her and your uncle, to teach him to plead the blood of Jesus over them. he is NOT too young to start learning about spiritual warfare. he's already experienced it first hand, and he will likely continue to experience demonic attacks as he grows older unless he is taught the power that pleading the blood of Jesus has over satan. this is very important.... so don't blind yourself to this... children are much more perceptive of the supernatural realm than we are, and far more vulnerable to attacks if they are not taught how to defend against them! trust me, i know of what i speak, both from my own personal experiences as a child, and from my daughter's.

as for the final questions... is she welcome in your home, and what about phone calls.

i would say that right NOW, she should not be able to stay for prolonged visits. as you, your husband and child grow stronger in prayer against the occult, i don't think it would be an issue. but right now, that isn't the case. when the time comes, pray about it, as a family... including your son. and let God lead you.

of course, if there are other alternatives that are within their budget, like a hotel room, why not just suggest that to begin with? and then pray over your house and family before and after their daily visits.

phone calls... i'm willing to bet your four year old is not interested much in talking to his great-aunt on the phone. there is no reason why you should cut off communication with her yourself.

[Emily~Anne]

I have another son too, and he is the one she seems to have singled out for favoritism by my aunt. His name is Tyler and he is ten. She even went up to Tyler when he, his little brother and my husband were sitting at the table coloring, put a hand on Tyler's shoulder and said, "You know Tyler, you are my favorite." This made Tyler cringe. Our boys have a very close sibling relationship.

[Guest LadyC]

problem solved.... if he doesn't like her, he's not gonna want to talk to her either. and when she comes to visit, if anyone in the house doesn't like her, it would be better to arrange other accommodations!

[Emily~Anne]

He did like her at first, alot. Our impresiion of her now is so very different than when we first met. (We were out of contact over 20 yrs, then resumed contact two years ago) How do I explain to her though that we are more comfortable staying in a hotel? I think maybe the thing to do is request that she come here from now on. I can say it is because we have two children and two dogs and it is much easier for them to just come here. I am not sure yet if we'd want her to stay in a hotel though. She has been here before and the trip went well. This was when we first reunited. But then again we have been to her house before this last time and that went ok too. (we have stayed at her house twice) I am thinking a shorter visit would be best. For example, 4 days versus two weeks. And certainly not until we have had substantial 'recovery' time from our last experience.

[Guest LadyC]

most of this will just be something that requires a lot of prayer and direction from God, as a family... not really anything we can advise you on. but we can offer advice on how to discuss it with her.... with honesty! just come right out and tell her what she already knows... that there is a spiritual conflict in the home when you are all under one roof that is uncomfortable in every way, and is also spiritually unhealthy. i'm quite sure your aunt is aware of who God is, and that He is at odds with her chosen form of worship.

ok years ago, when the kids were about 8 & 9 years old or so, i had a very good friend of mine, and her husband, and their friend, staying with me temporarily. they'd moved back from out of state and were waiting for the move-in date on their home. i did not know at first that their friend was wiccan.

when i did find out, i sat her down and told her she would have to leave. i explained why. but i was very gentle and compassionate with her. she understood! not only did she understand, but she admitted that they had tried to keep it a secret from me because SHE was aware of the spiritual unrest in my home since her arrival. i was to some degree, but unlike her, i didn't know WHY it was there. but she knew, and she admitted she had known. she asked my forgiveness and agreed to find other accommodations.

and she cried. she embraced me and thanked me and told me that other than her mother, i was the first christian she'd ever met who didn't treat her with contempt... the first one besides her mother who ever made her hesitate and think the christian God may not be so detestable.

my brothers and my parents almost went ballistic that i didn't kick her out on the curb immediately. (it took two days for her to make other arrangements, and i'd called and asked them to also cover my home with prayer.) my dad drove an hour to show up at my house at 7 a.m. just to drag my children out of my home in their pj's, while he raked me over the coals so loudly that i literally had neighbors coming outside to see what the ruckus was. my children were screaming and crying because of how my dad was acting and how he was forcing them to come with him.

my family, unfortunately, showed her the Jesus that SHE thought existed.

if you have napster, go listen to a song called "door of heaven" by a group called out of the grey. and if you don't, please read the lyrics i'm posting. my family could have learned a lesson from that song.

Remember when we first were led to heaven's door

By the hands of those who showed us something more

Their arms were open with no strings attached

And the words they spoke to us meant so much more

And now our lives

Speak to those behind

What do they see

On the other side

Don't shut the door of heaven

On the ones who would believe

If they could see in us the love

That they've been looking for

Don't shut the door - of heaven

Somewhere in the growing up

Sometimes we grow out of touch

With the tenderness that drew us to the truth

If we close our minds and lock our hearts up tight

There's no room for love in what we do

And now our lives

Speak to those behind

What do they see

On the other side

Don't shut the door of heaven

On the ones who would believe

If they could see in us the love

That they've been looking for

Don't shut the door of heaven

On the ones who would believe

If they could see in us the love

That they've been looking for

Don't shut the door - of heaven

[Emily~Anne]

The song, it exactly explains my fear. I dont want to shut the door. I have to look out for my children, yet try not to close the door.