IRAN DECLARES WAR ON U.S.

[Guest LadyC]

Bless you saints ---

Jesus said,"You have heard that it was said, 'Love your neighbor and hate your enemy.' But I tell you: Love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you, that you may be sons of your Father in heaven. He causes his sun to rise on the evil and the good, and sends rain on the righteous and the unrighteous. If you love those who love you, what reward will you get? Are not even the tax collectors doing that?And if you greet only your brothers, what are you doing more than others? Do not even pagans do that? Be perfect, therefore, as your heavenly Father is perfect. [Matthew 5:43-48]

Maybe we should consider the Master's words when we discuss our enemies.

Blessings,

Wayne

wayne, i don't disregard Jesus's words, but I do not see in them any instruction from our Lord to stand quietly and be slaughtered, or to stand quietly and watch our enemies slaughter other innocent people. (innocent being a relative term, as none are innocent before the Lord)

we can love and pray for our enemies and still defend our nation. but the concept of 'loving one's enemies' meaning to be passive against their brutality against others, that's not love.

passiveness is not loving towards the enemy or your friends. let's scale it down to a smaller scale. if a woman loves her husband, but he abuses her children, does that mean she stands by while he beats them senseless? no, of course not... because that shows a lack of love for her children, and it enables her husband in his vile behavior. therefore, the kind of "love" she has for her children is inadequate, and the kind of "love" she has for her husband is warped and unhealthy.

it would be far more loving to use whatever means necessary to stop the abuse. you may say that killing him was unnecessary, but i'm reminded of an often rerun episode on one of the CourtTV forensics shows that documented a case where the husband shot his son while his wife watched. she loved him so much that she was uncooperative with the police, even though she was hysterical over the death of her son. the husband was finally cornered, and was killed by the police after the husband began firing at them, i think killing one or more of the cops. the wife was sentenced to prison for aiding and abetting and obstructing justice.

would it have been unloving for her to have grabbed one of the other guns out of the cabinet and killed the man she was married to? no, not at all. she could still have loved him, even while putting a bullet through him, and it would have saved other lives.

on a larger scale, we can still pray for our enemies, and love them with a devine love because they are part of God's creation, even while we use deadly force to save other lives.

[WayneB]

we can love and pray for our enemies and still defend our nation. but the concept of 'loving one's enemies' meaning to be passive against their brutality against others, that's not love.

on a larger scale, we can still pray for our enemies, and love them with a devine love because they are part of God's creation, even while we use deadly force to save other lives.

We agree LadyC. What you don't know is that two posts were deleted, which were inappropriate...posts that reveled in the death of our enemies.

Yes, I agree with you...meekness is not weakness! Remember, I am ex-military so keep what I posted in that context.

BUT, killing one's enemy is nothing to express joy over. It is nothing to joke about. It should be a painful experience, one that only the Spirit of God can comfort us over. I have never taken a life but I was trained and prepared to do so IF my country ever called me to do so in the defense of the defenseless.

Bless you sister,

Wayne

[rollinTHUNDER]

What you don't know is that two posts were deleted, which were inappropriate...posts that reveled in the death of our enemies.

I guess one of those was mine, since I can no longer find it.

I think sometimes we christians can be to serious or overly critical. I only saw humor in Leonards post, but it doesn't mean that I was in agreement with the joke in a literal sense, but who knows, maybe ours views on these boards will be sensored before too long. Good Grief!!

I guess I should crawl in a hole and act like I feel guilty for something?

[Guest LCPGUY]

I guess I should crawl in a hole and act like I feel guilty for something?

Well Rollin' - I never saw what you originally posted, but there's no need to crawl in a hole or anything else.

I guess the mod's are just trying to be very politically correct??? But not having seen the 2 deleted posts, I can't say for sure. I sure hope they're not tryin' to support the Islamic Terrorists because they are MURDERERS!!! I guess they're just tryin' to support love and gentle talk???

Who knows, they deleted them, as you pointed out.

Anyway - keep on rockin' - THUNDER!!!

Love you, :il:

Bro John

[WayneB]

I guess I should crawl in a hole and act like I feel guilty for something?

Naw, there is no guilt for those of us who are in Christ, brother. If there was, I'd be right next to you in that hole!

Just for the record, we ain't trying to be "politically correct". We are just trying to keep our salt from losing any saltiness.

Bless y'all.

Wayne

[rollinTHUNDER]

I guess I should crawl in a hole and act like I feel guilty for something?

Naw, there is no guilt for those of us who are in Christ, brother. If there was, I'd be right next to you in that hole!

Just for the record, we ain't trying to be "politically correct". We are just trying to keep our salt from losing any saltiness.

Bless y'all.

Wayne

Amen!

I didn't feel convicted, as I still think what Leonard said was funny. But by the same token, I also understand where you're comin' from too.

Maybe next time

I'll just laugh instead of saying I think it's funny.

But then again,

maybe that's when the thought police will come to take me away. :oww:

[papasangel]

Remember the Moderators are here to do a job and that is to keep things that might be offensive to many off the boards. Its a touch job so instead of criticism we should thank them for trying to be sensitive about peoples needs. I didn't see the two posts that were referred to myself but I suspect that if God were to read them He wouldn't have been too happy about them either.

[other one]

I believe one of the posts was mine and when I wrote it I was focused on the terrorists and it was later that I decided it could have easily been taken for an entire group of people. When I went back to undo the problem it was gone.

I personally was very thankful for that.

It is nice to have someone pull your foot out of your mouth for you. The bad taste doesn't last nearly as long.

I didn't see what Leonard wrote, but I'm still glad it's gone.

SE

[followerofjesus]

It is no surprise from an unelected governing body of mullahs w/ chants of death to America death to Israel. It would lead one to believe they're our enemies.

The question is how do you convince the Democrats before more innocent lives are taken.

[Guest LadyC]

It is no surprise from an unelected governing body of mullahs w/ chants of death to America death to Israel. It would lead one to believe they're our enemies.

The question is how do you convince the Democrats before more innocent lives are taken.

the typical liberal doesn't seem to think that any americans are innocents, they only believe in the innocense of the terrorists.