in a box

[jackie d]

Ok - a bit in intrusion here. If I may?

It seems to me you are talking about two different things. Seems like Jackie is saying that our walk (sanctification) is different - that during that walk God draws and mends and helps and does things differently for each individual. That that walk is unique between oneself and God. I don't see where she is saying that the path to salvation is a wide one.

Am I correct in this, jackie?

yes you are and thank you so much. I really appreciate your input.

be blessed

[traveller]

Ok - a bit in intrusion here. If I may?

It seems to me you are talking about two different things. Seems like Jackie is saying that our walk (sanctification) is different - that during that walk God draws and mends and helps and does things differently for each individual. That that walk is unique between oneself and God. I don't see where she is saying that the path to salvation is a wide one.

Am I correct in this, jackie?

yes you are and thank you so much. I really appreciate your input.

be blessed

And in this I am in complete agreement. Each person is different. What might draw and help you might hinder me, and vice versa. Our molding and shaping by the Father is in itself a beautiful work of art, like a tapestry that comes to life. What will soften my heart, place my feet, correct my posture, is for me alone. The same goes for you. All this is done to bring us to the end of the race. But salvation comes from Christ alone. There, too, we are in agreement.

[jackie d]

Ok - a bit in intrusion here. If I may?

It seems to me you are talking about two different things. Seems like Jackie is saying that our walk (sanctification) is different - that during that walk God draws and mends and helps and does things differently for each individual. That that walk is unique between oneself and God. I don't see where she is saying that the path to salvation is a wide one.

Am I correct in this, jackie?

yes you are and thank you so much. I really appreciate your input.

be blessed

And in this I am in complete agreement. Each person is different. What might draw and help you might hinder me, and vice versa. Our molding and shaping by the Father is in itself a beautiful work of art, like a tapestry that comes to life. What will soften my heart, place my feet, correct my posture, is for me alone. The same goes for you. All this is done to bring us to the end of the race. But salvation comes from Christ alone. There, too, we are in agreement.

an amen and AMEN!!! Thank you Jesus...

And each tapestry is completely unique from my brother or sister and vice versa...whew!! I definitely need a new language...I'm warn out.... just kidding

Emily~Anne, I'm did not intend to be confusing at all....and just so you know I was NOT laughing at you or anyone else. I just had to laugh

[Guest BondiHarry]

Biblicist, I'm not familiar with the sermons of Robert M. Bowman and therefore can't say if he teaches a false gospel or not but I find nothing wrong in what he stated (the part you quoted) and I think you are limiting how God can deal with man. Salvation is ONLY through Jesus Christ but do you really think God can't communicate with those who seek the truth and are of a heavy heart without using His human servants? There is nothing in the Bible to suggest He is so limited.

Question, do you think someone who lives in a land where there are no Christian churches or preachers can come to Christ? What exactly does God tell us we must do to come to salvation? Do church attendance, tithing or good works save us? God tells us He will answer those who truly seek Him. Do you not think He can do this directly?

[Treasure]

My understanding of this is a matter of personal conviction. I, for example, was convicted long ago to not listen to any music that isn't Christian. That doesn't mean that I find fault with someone else who doesn't have that same conviction. Someone else may have a personal conviction of spelling "God" as "G-D" even if they aren't a born-again Jew (I hope I said that right). Neither is specifically addressed in the Bible but both can be sin because of personal conviction. Neither is "putting God in a box", but both are personal acts of obedience.

[jackie d]

My understanding of this is a matter of personal conviction. I, for example, was convicted long ago to not listen to any music that isn't Christian. That doesn't mean that I find fault with someone else who doesn't have that same conviction. Someone else may have a personal conviction of spelling "God" as "G-D" even if they aren't a born-again Jew (I hope I said that right). Neither is specifically addressed in the Bible but both can be sin because of personal conviction. Neither is "putting God in a box", but both are personal acts of obedience.

And we can take this a step further and remember that those of a younger or weaker faith in Christ may be intimidated or scared into thinking that if they aren't where we are they are not on the right path with Him.

The biggest trick in the enemies bag is to make a believer think that they are not where they should be with God...the enemy feeds these lies to us by any means possible including through the "good intentioned" Christian.

I believe that we all must walk very carefully in this area and make sure that there is no undue pressure or demands on each other...for as Traveller so eloquently stated ".... our walk (sanctification) is different - that during that walk God draws and mends and helps and does things differently for each individual. That that walk is unique between oneself and God."

A perfect example of this is when I am told that I am being rebellious against God because I won't place an individual in an authority position over me. It has nothing to do with rebellion and everything to do with the fact that God is THE authority and my personal conviction is that if I am putting a human being in authority over me I am rebelling against God...and if I am asked to rebel against man/people or against God...I will choose man/people everytime. This is not to say that I won't listen and glean the things that are of God and take them with me...but what people say is not 100% gospel and I can't bend in that area, not ever.

[Treasure]

I won't place an individual in an authority position over me

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Could you clarify this statement for me please?

[Emily~Anne]

My understanding of this is a matter of personal conviction. I, for example, was convicted long ago to not listen to any music that isn't Christian. That doesn't mean that I find fault with someone else who doesn't have that same conviction. Someone else may have a personal conviction of spelling "God" as "G-D" even if they aren't a born-again Jew (I hope I said that right). Neither is specifically addressed in the Bible but both can be sin because of personal conviction. Neither is "putting God in a box", but both are personal acts of obedience.

And we can take this a step further and remember that those of a younger or weaker faith in Christ may be intimidated or scared into thinking that if they aren't where we are they are not on the right path with Him.

The biggest trick in the enemies bag is to make a believer think that they are not where they should be with God...the enemy feeds these lies to us by any means possible including through the "good intentioned" Christian.

I believe that we all must walk very carefully in this area and make sure that there is no undue pressure or demands on each other...for as Traveller so eloquently stated ".... our walk (sanctification) is different - that during that walk God draws and mends and helps and does things differently for each individual. That that walk is unique between oneself and God."

A perfect example of this is when I am told that I am being rebellious against God because I won't place an individual in an authority position over me. It has nothing to do with rebellion and everything to do with the fact that God is THE authority and my personal conviction is that if I am putting a human being in authority over me I am rebelling against God...and if I am asked to rebel against man/people or against God...I will choose man/people everytime. This is not to say that I won't listen and glean the things that are of God and take them with me...but what people say is not 100% gospel and I can't bend in that area, not ever.

Can you be more specific? What person? Your husband? Your neighbor? Your boss? Who?

[jackie d]

I won't place an individual in an authority position over me

.

Could you clarify this statement for me please?

I will try...I am not a bondservant of man I am a bondservant of God. I will respect and listen and learn from good teachers who are God based and without man made doctrine...I will follow the law of land and the authority of it. But when the day is done and I sit with God, it is God who answers the questions and sifts the truth from the lies and that will be the authority of my life. No human being is able to do that for me, nor have they come close. IF I were married and my husband said we were going to do something, before I agree to it I am going to pray about it and if it is wrong for me, the convictions God has given me or goes against the precepts of God...then my husband will hear that I am not going to do it, I would tell him why and if he chose to do it....then that is between him and God. The same goes for a minister.

but I do not wish to derail this topic by getting into another thread about this tedious topic that causes so much strife and division.

[jackie d]

My understanding of this is a matter of personal conviction. I, for example, was convicted long ago to not listen to any music that isn't Christian. That doesn't mean that I find fault with someone else who doesn't have that same conviction. Someone else may have a personal conviction of spelling "God" as "G-D" even if they aren't a born-again Jew (I hope I said that right). Neither is specifically addressed in the Bible but both can be sin because of personal conviction. Neither is "putting God in a box", but both are personal acts of obedience.

And we can take this a step further and remember that those of a younger or weaker faith in Christ may be intimidated or scared into thinking that if they aren't where we are they are not on the right path with Him.

The biggest trick in the enemies bag is to make a believer think that they are not where they should be with God...the enemy feeds these lies to us by any means possible including through the "good intentioned" Christian.

I believe that we all must walk very carefully in this area and make sure that there is no undue pressure or demands on each other...for as Traveller so eloquently stated ".... our walk (sanctification) is different - that during that walk God draws and mends and helps and does things differently for each individual. That that walk is unique between oneself and God."

A perfect example of this is when I am told that I am being rebellious against God because I won't place an individual in an authority position over me. It has nothing to do with rebellion and everything to do with the fact that God is THE authority and my personal conviction is that if I am putting a human being in authority over me I am rebelling against God...and if I am asked to rebel against man/people or against God...I will choose man/people everytime. This is not to say that I won't listen and glean the things that are of God and take them with me...but what people say is not 100% gospel and I can't bend in that area, not ever.

Can you be more specific? What person? Your husband? Your neighbor? Your boss? Who?

any and all of the above....