By Jesus Stripes I'm Healed!

[irishcowboy]

Hi, my name is latonya. The topic I would like to discuss is healing. Do you believe that by Jesus Stripes you're healed? If so why do we as a people run and burden the pastor to lay hands on us? Are we afraid to go to Jesus ourselves? Is it because some times we don't know how to ask for healing? Are we asking for healing with the right motive? Why are we sick in the first place? is it a spiritual sickness or a physical sickness? I believe that only one touch from God can make it better! I believe we have not because we ask not. I think it is most exciting to go to God in prayer about such topics as healing.

IF you have a word or any suggestion then feel free to post it. I want to hear your opinions first.

in James, we are told, that if we have problems, to hit our knees ( meaning pray) if we are sick, then call upon the elders......

people of this age have become lazy, and wish others to do the hard work... if we would all hit our knees, in time of good and bad, not just the bad, but both, and give praise to the Lord during all times, and thanks during all times, when we call upon the elders, things would be a lot different...

Christ told us that we would be doing the same things He had done....... AND GREATER THINGS.......... healing the sick, casting out demons, the lame will walk the dead will rise..... and most of all, SPREADING THE WORD OF GOD......

it is a combined package, a person can not have one with out the other, can not have the healing with out the faith, with out the love....

a person that is not walking in the Light, can not turn the storm aside, can not dry up the clouds, a person walking the boarder of the shadows, for fear of loosing their friends, fear of the change God has in store for them, they do not have to be in total darkness, just in the shadows, they will not experience what God wants for them..... people do not want to give up what they have to receive what God has for them.

I love it when i get the sales calls for medical insurance.... love it..... wonderful time to witness.

they start telling me how they can save me money on my medical insurance...... i tell them they are full of hot air, cause i have the best insurance possible and they can not beat the price. this puzzles them..... so I get to witness the Lord and how He has been my personal Physician for the past 10 years, and doesn't charge a thing...... this does interest some, others i get hung up on.... the physicians here are just practicing, God has it perfected....

there is so much more a person can write on it......

best though, is to read the Word and practice the Word, live the Word.... we are an extension of the hands of Christ...

mike

[Marnie]

The other thing I thought of was this: the relation between healing and our faith. Some people think that relying on medicine is not using faith. However, Hebrews 11:23 says this--

By faith Moses' parents hid him for three months after he was born, because they saw he was no ordinary child, and they were not afraid of the king's edict.

So, the parents had faith, they were NOT afraid of the king's edict to kill all the Hebrew baby boys, BUT they still hid him. If they weren't afraid, why hide the baby? The answer is that faith demands some sort of action on our part. 1 Samuel 14:6 bears this notion out--

Jonathan said to his young armor-bearer, "Come, let's go over to the outpost of those uncircumcised fellows. Perhaps the LORD will act in our behalf. Nothing can hinder the LORD from saving, whether by many or by few."

Jonathan had faith in G-d, but he wasn't sure exactly what the Lord would do. Notice he said "Perhaps."

So, we may have all the faith in the world, but we cannot, like Moses' parents or Jonathan, know precisely how and when the Lord will heal us. So our faith gives us the courage and wisdom to act in some way. The Lord honors our faith.

[Ddavid from NC]

I believe in Divine healing as opposed to faith healing. I have experienced it, seen it happen among God's children. Those types of incidents that can have only one explanantion...Divine supernatural healing. I would like to however to challenge the use of the Scripture "by His stripes we are healed". It is found in two places in the Bible that I can think of right away:

But he was wounded for our transgressions, he was bruised for our iniquities: the chastisement of our peace was upon him; and with his stripes we are healed. Isaiah 53:5KJV

Who his own self bare our sins in his own body on the tree, that we, being dead to sins, should live unto righteousness: by whose stripes ye were healed. 1 Peter 2:24KJV

The context of either is physical healing but the result of the spiritual new birth. Many people quote this verse as a power verse to add authority for a request for physical healing. It bothers me when people bend the Scripture that way. Jesus didn't die, so I would never be sick. But again I attest to frequent occurences of physical healing of the saints of God. But some TV evangelist reading these verses and tell me it is promised if I just have faith in these verses is guilty of isogesis.

[Marnie]

I believe in Divine healing as opposed to faith healing. I have experienced it, seen it happen among God's children. Those types of incidents that can have only one explanantion...Divine supernatural healing. I would like to however to challenge the use of the Scripture "by His stripes we are healed". It is found in two places in the Bible that I can think of right away:

But he was wounded for our transgressions, he was bruised for our iniquities: the chastisement of our peace was upon him; and with his stripes we are healed. Isaiah 53:5KJV

Who his own self bare our sins in his own body on the tree, that we, being dead to sins, should live unto righteousness: by whose stripes ye were healed. 1 Peter 2:24KJV

The context of either is physical healing but the result of the spiritual new birth. Many people quote this verse as a power verse to add authority for a request for physical healing. It bothers me when people bend the Scripture that way. Jesus didn't die, so I would never be sick. But again I attest to frequent occurences of physical healing of the saints of God. But some TV evangelist reading these verses and tell me it is promised if I just have faith in these verses is guilty of isogesis.

You are right about the Isaiah passage; people love to apply that to some sort of physical healing, but it definitely refers to salvation. However, there are numerous other passages that attest to divine healing. We should strive for sound exegesis, not eisegesis; it does a tremendous disservice to the integrity of Scripture.

I don't think you can divorce the faith element from divine healing, though.

[Ddavid from NC]

I believe in Divine healing as opposed to faith healing. I have experienced it, seen it happen among God's children. Those types of incidents that can have only one explanantion...Divine supernatural healing. I would like to however to challenge the use of the Scripture "by His stripes we are healed". It is found in two places in the Bible that I can think of right away:

But he was wounded for our transgressions, he was bruised for our iniquities: the chastisement of our peace was upon him; and with his stripes we are healed. Isaiah 53:5KJV

Who his own self bare our sins in his own body on the tree, that we, being dead to sins, should live unto righteousness: by whose stripes ye were healed. 1 Peter 2:24KJV

The context of either is physical healing but the result of the spiritual new birth. Many people quote this verse as a power verse to add authority for a request for physical healing. It bothers me when people bend the Scripture that way. Jesus didn't die, so I would never be sick. But again I attest to frequent occurences of physical healing of the saints of God. But some TV evangelist reading these verses and tell me it is promised if I just have faith in these verses is guilty of isogesis.

How can you separate faith from healing? I think you need to explain yourself better in this regard. If you are claiming that you believe that God at times gives a supernatural touch to someone, but at the same time are disregarding the use of laying on of hands, I don't understand the scriptural basis for that argument. Yes, God can heal me right here in my home while praying, but at the same time, he can also heal me as the result of the prayer of faith by someone laying hands on me. I will once again bring back the scripture from James 5:14-15

14 Is any sick among you? let him call for the elders of the church; and let them pray over him, anointing him with oil in the name of the Lord:

15 And the prayer of faith shall save the sick, and the Lord shall raise him up; and if he have committed sins, they shall be forgiven him.

There is little difference between what is described here and what "faith healers" do. The biggest problem I have with most faith healers is not the method, but the fact that the emphasis is more on the personality than God. I think that God uses certain men to heal the sick, but over time, they become lifted up in self and stop giving the glory to God, and then the ability is taken away. That is what leads to the stories of staged healings. At least, that is my opinion. Either way, we have a clear scriptural mandate to lay hands on the sick.

I'm using "faith healing" in the contemporary sense and not the Biblical sense. The belief that healing is available to us if we know the right verse, pray the right prayer, or are the subject of a particular person's prayer, or that the absence or presence of a particular level of faith requires God to grant healing. Biblical faith, is in God and His sovereignty and not a particular desired outcome. Simply put, I know God that you are capable of doing this thing, I trust Your sovereignty. If what you are waiting for in this situation is my confidence and submission to Your will, You have it. I promise I will use this restored health to bring You glory.

[jehovah Nissi]

I've determined in my heart that God can't lie...that nips that doubt right out of you.

You're right, God does not lie.

But everyone has that inkling of doubt. It's a part of human nature. You can't get away from it.

I know God's real. I know Christ died for my sins. Nothing anyone can say will ever convince my otherwise.

Peter walked and talked with Christ on a daily basis. He saw the miracles and wonders performed by Christ...yet he still sank into the sea.

I'm not saying that it's impossible for anyone to perform a miracle, because it's not, but in the world we live in, those miracles are hard to come by.

If we had faith the size of a mustard seed, we would be able to move mountains....I don't see anyone doing that.

Why is there always that doubt in the back of your mind? it is part of human nature to follow the five phisical sences. that is what faith is for...to overcome those sences...and it comes by hearing and hearing by God's word (Rom. 10:17). If you were believing God for $50 to help pay for a new bible and you finaly got the $50...would you walk out of the book store, with your new bible in your hand, doubting that you would every get that bible? It's in your hands...why would you doubt??? The answer is obviously that you wouldn't have anymore doubt. That is why it is so important to abide in God's word (John 8:31-32)...to know what we allready have in our hands so that there isn't any doubt at all because we are commanded in James 1:6 to ask in faith with no doubting. Faith and doubting are opposits and we have to walk in one or the other. God wants us to walk in faith (Heb. 11:6).

Your right Peter did walk with Christ daily and yet he started to doubt and sink...BUT only when he took his eyes off of Jesus (the Word of God) and onto his circumstances (five phisical sences) did he start to sink. As long as his eyes were upon Jesus, he didn't sink and there was NO DOUBT...not even an inkliing.

Hope this helps

In His Love,

J

[Blien]

I believe that the best healing is when you ask a Christian brother or sister you know who is a strong Christian to pray for you in agreement. You know by holding hands together and praying to God. I believe it because I experienced it. But my healing was not physically, it was a bondage that a demon had on my soul. When we started praying together the demon started panicking because of God's presence (Matt 18:20) and I felt the chains of bondage around my body break. Before that I wasn't aware it was there in the first place! Pray and do not doubt!

[jackie d]

Pray and do not doubt!

[jehovah Nissi]

I believe that the best healing is when you ask a Christian brother or sister you know who is a strong Christian to pray for you in agreement.

The prayer of agreement is such a powerful prayer...a two cord rope is not easly broken...add another cord and it is even stronger yet.

[jackie d]

Pray and do not doubt!

Mat 17:20 So Jesus said to them, "Because of your unbelief;* for assuredly, I say to you, if you have faith as a mustard seed, you will say to this mountain, 'Move from here to there,' and it will move; and nothing will be impossible for you.

faith, faith, faith....

Jhn 20:29 Jesus said to him, "Thomas,* because you have seen Me, you have believed. Blessed [are] those who have not seen and [yet] have believed."