Pastors with no formal training

[Vickilynn]

Don't you agree when a pastor stops learning from sources outside their own thinking it shows in the growth & maturity of the church?

Shalom David,

Not necessarily. It depends on the source. There are plenty of "formal training" cemeteries that are nothing but dead religion and they teach false doctrine. The only truth is from the Holy Spirit.

[Ddavid from NC]

Don't you agree when a pastor stops learning from sources outside their own thinking it shows in the growth & maturity of the church?

Shalom David,

Not necessarily. It depends on the source. There are plenty of "formal training" cemeteries that teach false doctrine. The only truth is from the Holy Spirit.

You misspelled "seminary"

[Guest Biblicist]

David, I never before considered learning from God's Word something I do with my mind.

[Vickilynn]

Don't you agree when a pastor stops learning from sources outside their own thinking it shows in the growth & maturity of the church?

Shalom David,

Not necessarily. It depends on the source. There are plenty of "formal training" cemeteries that teach false doctrine. The only truth is from the Holy Spirit.

You misspelled "seminary"

Shalom David,

No, it was deliberate. That's what I think of some seminaries, they are cemeteries teaching dead religion.

[Guest Biblicist]

I was wondering if you did that on purpose Vickilynn, naughty you!

I believe the reason seminaries are not teaching the Truth is because they are letting too much of the world into the WORD.

[WayneB]

David, I never before considered learning from God's Word something I do with my mind.

...but learning is a combination of spirit and mind. Often in God's commands, he speaks of fixing His word on our hearts and minds. [Deut 11:18, Jer 31:33 for a couple of examples] He even commanded us to love Him with our heart and mind. [Matthew 22:37] Both pretty much go together.

[WayneB]

Don't you agree when a pastor stops learning from sources outside their own thinking it shows in the growth & maturity of the church?

When a pastor stops learning from reliable sources, he stops growing and when he stops growing, the church becomes stagnant under his leadership. What's reliable? Sources that are sound when measured against the Word.

[Ddavid from NC]

David, I never before considered learning from God's Word something I do with my mind.

Why does the Scripture tell us to renew our minds? Liberal seminaries exist, but to assume because an institution is classified a seminary means they are dead is a rash conclusion. How many have you visited to make that determination?

[Vickilynn]

Why does the Scripture tell us to renew our minds? Liberal seminaries exist, but to assume because an institution is classified a seminary means they are dead is a rash conclusion. How many have you visited to make that determination?

Shalom David,

Oh david, david, david. I never said ALL. I said SOME. And you concede that SOME are. So, what's the problem?

I know you went to seminary, but that doesn't mean all qualified pastors and counselors must.

You are making generalizations that are not factual.

I'm not only talking liberal, I'm talking denominational as well.

I personally know of some seminaries that teach nothing but dead religion and rightly fit in the term "cemeteries". My spiritual Dad was the president of a Bible college and I have some experience with Bible students and seminary students as well as knowing what he experienced because he showed me and told me. So, please, don't assume that the person you are talking to is ignorant just because they disagree with you.

You asked a question. If you didn't want to hear the answer, you shouldn't have asked.

[Ddavid from NC]

Why does the Scripture tell us to renew our minds? Liberal seminaries exist, but to assume because an institution is classified a seminary means they are dead is a rash conclusion. How many have you visited to make that determination?

Shalom David,

Oh david, david, david. I never said ALL. I said SOME. And you concede that SOME are. So, what's the problem?

I know you went to seminary, but that doesn't mean all qualified pastors and counselors must.

You are making generalizations that are not factual.

I'm not only talking liberal, I'm talking denominational as well.

I personally know of some seminaries that teach nothing but dead religion and rightly fit in the term "cemeteries". My spiritual Dad was the president of a Bible college and I have some experience with Bible students and seminary students as well as knowing what he experienced because he showed me and told me. So, please, don't assume that the person you are talking to is ignorant just because they disagree with you.

You asked a question. If you didn't want to hear the answer, you shouldn't have asked.

Thank God for emotioncons that must be heeded. Thank you for your clarrifications... I don't like generalizations... I personally know some well educated and deeply passionate men and women of God, who went to seminary and are still pursuing further education as a ongoing preparation. I had seminary professors who were soul winners, and many lectures resulted in prayer and worship before we left class.