Brood of Vipers

[tsth]

Vipers preaching "their" message and the eggs sitting in the audience soaking it in.

Isaiah 59, summarized!

Thank you, man, I'm glad you read it, and so simply stated it back.

In His Love,

Suzanne

[psalmone]

Yes, but what we miss is that Jesus tells the people:

From the Scriptures, we know that the Pharisees are lovers of pleasures, egotistical, like the seats of honor, love money, etc. They do not understand their function and role. They have lost their way and gone off the path, just as their fathers did, who persecuted the prophets.

And by the way, have you ever studied what the passages of Matt. 23:16-21, mean?

In His Love,

Suzanne

Your interpretation has an issue. if you believe Jesus was really telling them to obey the teaching of the Pharisees, you need to reconcile that with this:

Then Jesus told them, "Watch out and beware of the yeast of the Pharisees and Sadducees."... Then they understood that He did not tell them to beware of the yeast in bread, but of the teaching of the Pharisees and Sadducees.

Matthew 16:5,12 HCSB

Essentially you have Jesus saying 2 different things (according to your interpretation). We are to beware of their teaching, yet obey it.

No, the issue of yeast of the Pharisees, has been clarified already in this thread, but I'll repost it.

Luke 12:1 Meanwhile, when a crowd of many thousands had gathered, so that they were trampling on one another, Jesus began to speak first to his disciples, saying: "Be on your guard against the yeast of the Pharisees, which is hypocrisy.

Hypocrisy has ALWAYS meant, saying/teaching one thing, and practicing another.

Root meaning of hypocrisy:

to take up another's statements in reference to what one has decided for one's self

to reply, answer

to make answer (speak) on the stage

to impersonate anyone, play a part

to simulate, feign, pretend

In His Love,

Suzanne

You really have not responded to the issue I raised here. Your interpretation of matthew 23:3 has an issue because it contradicts another thing Jesus said in Matthew (that we are to avoid their teachings). All you have done here is restate your position. Please interact with the contradiction

I think you do not agree with the hypocrisy statement, that was made by "Jesus", NOT ME.

Of course I'm restating my positition, it was Jesus' position as well.

And I'll restate it again:

Luke 12:1 Meanwhile, when a crowd of many thousands had gathered, so that they were trampling on one another, Jesus began to speak first to his disciples, saying: "Be on your guard against the yeast of the Pharisees, which is hypocrisy.

This will not change, as it was written that way.

And it is still applicable, even today.

In His Love,

Suzanne

Again, I would really appreciate if you would interact with the contradiction I have pointed out.

If it is anything I am inclined to believe that the verse in Matthew 23:3 'So you must obey them and do everything they tell you. But do not do what they do, for they do not practice what they preach' has to do with living in the fruits of the spirit and against you the'll be no law. This instructs us to be duely crucified in our behaviour where we obey authorities even when there is need to contest decisions, that we do so lawfully and in the correct conduct and procedure.

The other scripture saying: "Be on your guard against the yeast of the Pharisees, which is hypocrisy. speaks of the fact that as the yeast is not really of the lump so ought we to be on our guard that we are not fooled by their words of seeming agreement. this is something like the viper's nature that is able to feign agreement though prove to be something else thereafter.

I just want to acknowledge a correction of the above post that was bugging me a bit. I was reminded afterwards that it was the teachings of the pharisees that the yeast refered to though I felt the spirit of the above may still be consistant

[traveller]

Give it a rest, people.