intersting article in legalism in the church

[Vickilynn]

Jackie, please, if you could, would you post those times when anyone has said that "doing" or not doing any of those things is sinful? I don't really know who you may be refering to about not listening to certain types of music? And truly, did anyone here on Worthyboards tell you that you should follow their rules instead of God's? I truly don't see anyone here trying to put other's in bondage to laws that are unnecessary.

God's word does clearly tell us that we are responsible for our actions causing other's to stumble. To behave or dress in a manner that would cause someone else to stumble is a sin.

Matthew 18

6 But if anyone causes one of these little ones who believe in me to sin, it would be better for him to have a large millstone hung around his neck and to be drowned in the depths of the sea.

Romans 14

19 Let us therefore make every effort to do what leads to peace and to mutual edification. 20 Do not destroy the work of God for the sake of food. All food is clean, but it is wrong for a man to eat anything that causes someone else to stumble. 21 It is better not to eat meat or drink wine or to do anything else that will cause your brother to fall.

Loving God's law is the peace. Following in his precepts is the freedom.

Psalm 119

164 Seven times a day I praise you

for your righteous laws.

165 Great peace have they who love your law,

and nothing can make them stumble.

166 I wait for your salvation, O LORD,

and I follow your commands.

Have you ever read all of the laws in God's word, not just the ones in the New Testament, but the Mosaic Law? YIKES! The freedom we have is that we can not possibly follow all of those laws, however, we are free in Christ to do our best to follow the laws Jesus Christ asks us to and let the Blood of the Spotless Lamb cover the rest. We are to follow God's laws because we love him.

You follow laws every day. Why? Because you are commanded to by your state. Do you break those laws? Sure. We all do. [i exceede speed limit on a regular basis ] The difference between God's law and human laws is that if we break God's Law and ask forgiveness, we are forgiven. The punishment is paid. We are FREE! Do you understand?

Shalom Bibs,

Only seeing your reply, but it's am excellent one. You are so right on and Scripturally-based about this. I wonder at the arguments.

[Vickilynn]

Jackie, please, if you could, would you post those times when anyone has said that "doing" or not doing any of those things is sinful? I don't really know who you may be refering to about not listening to certain types of music? And truly, did anyone here on Worthyboards tell you that you should follow their rules instead of God's? I truly don't see anyone here trying to put other's in bondage to laws that are unnecessary.

God's word does clearly tell us that we are responsible for our actions causing other's to stumble. To behave or dress in a manner that would cause someone else to stumble is a sin.

Matthew 18

6 But if anyone causes one of these little ones who believe in me to sin, it would be better for him to have a large millstone hung around his neck and to be drowned in the depths of the sea.

Romans 14

19 Let us therefore make every effort to do what leads to peace and to mutual edification. 20 Do not destroy the work of God for the sake of food. All food is clean, but it is wrong for a man to eat anything that causes someone else to stumble. 21 It is better not to eat meat or drink wine or to do anything else that will cause your brother to fall.

Loving God's law is the peace. Following in his precepts is the freedom.

Psalm 119

164 Seven times a day I praise you

for your righteous laws.

165 Great peace have they who love your law,

and nothing can make them stumble.

166 I wait for your salvation, O LORD,

and I follow your commands.

Have you ever read all of the laws in God's word, not just the ones in the New Testament, but the Mosaic Law? YIKES! The freedom we have is that we can not possibly follow all of those laws, however, we are free in Christ to do our best to follow the laws Jesus Christ asks us to and let the Blood of the Spotless Lamb cover the rest. We are to follow God's laws because we love him.

You follow laws every day. Why? Because you are commanded to by your state. Do you break those laws? Sure. We all do. [i exceede speed limit on a regular basis ] The difference between God's law and human laws is that if we break God's Law and ask forgiveness, we are forgiven. The punishment is paid. We are FREE! Do you understand?

Shalom Bibs,

Only seeing your reply, but it's am excellent one. You are so right on and Scripturally-based about this. I wonder at the arguments.

No need to wonder. I posted my 'argument' against this just up a couple posts. I don't know if jackie has another answer but this is my feeling on the subject. I believe it is also scripturally based. Your results may vary...

Shalom Red,

I wasn't addressing you at all, but Bibs' reply to an argument and THAT is what I'm wondering, not about you. I believe the Scriptures and comments posted by Bibs are correct. Your results may vary. I've read your posts, but I don't agree. Simple as that.

There's nothing wrong with differing views. The problem comes in when they are attached to personal attacks, which is why some people ignore other's posts.

[Vickilynn]

Shalom,

I also WONDER how some of the same people that are condemning playing the Lotto and calling it sin when the Bible does not are being the "Legalists" they are condemning in THIS thread.

If someone rails against so-called legalists for pushing THEIR personal views on others, and then turn around and do it themselves (for example playing Lotto), they are worse than legalists in my book, they are hypocrites.

[Emily~Anne]

Jackie, please, if you could, would you post those times when anyone has said that "doing" or not doing any of those things is sinful? I don't really know who you may be refering to about not listening to certain types of music? And truly, did anyone here on Worthyboards tell you that you should follow their rules instead of God's? I truly don't see anyone here trying to put other's in bondage to laws that are unnecessary.

Jackie has tried VERY hard to find things that are not there and coming to wrong judgements, and attacking and condemning us based on how she has created us to be in her mind. I am guessing she never answered this and never will. (I have her on ignore) I really think she WANTS to believe us to be telling her she cant wear pants, or etc., etc. She argues based on that, except...NONE of us have said that!

[Richard_yaash]

I dont know who said this, but ths sounds like the concept of if a man lusts that is his fault, so why should I make any effort to be modest?

It has nothing to do with that. Modesty has been upheld.

To have the attitude of placing all the blame on the man is a hostile attitude, lacking in fruit of the spirit, and not one of making every effort to live in peace with others.

That is not the 'attitude' that has been presented.

I am going to put forth an effort to dress and carry myself modestly, and if a man still lusts, oh well. I tried.

Exactly. Whether the attire is a burka, dress or jeans. Modesty has never been an issue.

[Richard_yaash]

I have her on ignore

To be quite honest. If we wish to ignore another, that is our right, it is also a feature here. Some of us though are strong enough to ignore another without using such a feature. That being said:

I find it highly offensive when people go around publically stating they have someone on "ignore".

For whatever it may or may not be worth...

[Richard_yaash]

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[Vickilynn]

An attitude that shows fruit of the spirit~

dressing modestly out of love for brothers in Christ.

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An attitude that is hostile and does not show fruit of the spirit~

welll he must be a pervert and that ain't my problem!

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I love my brothers in Christ, and it is my desire not to place a stumbling block before them and help them keep a pure mind. I shall do my part, (reasonably that is, I wont be wearing a burka) and the rest is up to the man.

Shalom Emily Anne,

AMEN and AMEN Sister!!

[Richard_yaash]

Shalom,

I also WONDER how some of the same people that are condemning playing the Lotto and calling it sin when the Bible does not are being the "Legalists" they are condemning in THIS thread.

If someone rails against so-called legalists for pushing THEIR personal views on others, and then turn around and do it themselves (for example playing Lotto), they are worse than legalists in my book, they are hypocrites.

Hi Vickilynn,

Perhaps we should try and keep each thread separated. For myself, again my weak conscience is showing, but I do find it highly offensive when someone drags things from thread to thread.

[Vickilynn]

Jackie, please, if you could, would you post those times when anyone has said that "doing" or not doing any of those things is sinful? I don't really know who you may be refering to about not listening to certain types of music? And truly, did anyone here on Worthyboards tell you that you should follow their rules instead of God's? I truly don't see anyone here trying to put other's in bondage to laws that are unnecessary.

Jackie has tried VERY hard to find things that are not there and coming to wrong judgements, and attacking and condemning us based on how she has created us to be in her mind. I am guessing she never answered this and never will. (I have her on ignore) I really think she WANTS to believe us to be telling her she cant wear pants, or etc., etc. She argues based on that, except...NONE of us have said that!

Shalom Emily Anne.

You have that correct. And that is a continuing source of misconceptions and perpetuating arguments. The ignore feature is very helpful BTW, I pray that more people use it rather than continuing in personal problems.