Israel

[nebula]

If Israel is the chosen people of God why is the Bible loaded with statements that Christ came for all people, not just the Jews, and that He brought a new covenant? If the Jews are the chosen people what's the point of anyone else confessing Christ?

David -

Have you not read where Jesus said He came for the children of Israel?

Have you not read that we who are not natural born of Israel have been grafted into Israel only because of the number of Jews who have rejected Jesus? But if their cutting off means riches for us, what will their reconciliation be?

Yes, it is a new covenant, but the new does not cancel out the previous covenant. The LORD's covenant with Abraham was not changed, nor was it eliminated.

If you researched Biblical covenants, and came to understand them, you would understand this.

[David of Derby]

I've read where it says Jesus came for everyone...

[nebula]

I've read where it says Jesus came for everyone...

You've read it . . . where?

Would you please provide the Scriptural quote?

[eagleswings]

I've read where it says Jesus came for everyone...

I would say to you to please read romans 11

[Guest LadyC]

David of Derby, how ironic that i was reading something just this morning that sprang to mind when i read your comments. God was telling moses what the israelites could expect in return for absolute obedience, and what to expect in return for disobedience.

for disobedience, God would abhor them, and allow all manner of trials to befall them. but that if the the future generations of israelites would repent and turn back to Him, He would not abhor them... He would still require them to suffer for their sin and that of their fathers, but would NOT break His covenant with them, and though they lived in the land of their enemies, He would not allow israel to be totally destroyed, because He is the Lord their God.

they have always been God's chosen people, and i believe we see that promise in effect today... they are living amongst enemies who are trying to destroy them, and while God is allowing them to suffer for their sinfulness, His hand is still upon them and is not allowing them to be destroyed.

God's promises are without repentance. He does not go back on His promises.

[Guest Biblicist]

If there's no defence for the statement maybe you can convince me that I'm wrong? If I'm so ignorant maybe you should try to enlighten me instead of condemning me and acting holier-than-thou?

If Israel is the chosen people of God why is the Bible loaded with statements that Christ came for all people, not just the Jews, and that He brought a new covenant? If the Jews are the chosen people what's the point of anyone else confessing Christ?

You claim to be an intelligent person.....look at the size of Israel......now look at all the enemies that surround that country.

They've been trying to wipe that country off the face of the earth since 1948 and no ones been able to do it.

If God isn't protecting that country.......who is?

Not saying David is correct, but these statements don't exactly answer the questions he raises...

[Guest man]

...that's your argument? Simply because the IDF are highly-trained, professional troops equipped with good weapons and vehicles you think God must be giving them victory over the barely-trained, ill-equipped Arab armies? Seriously?

By that same argument I could say England is under God's protection; look at the size of England and the size of the enemies we've faced, yet never been conquered in a thousand years and rarely beaten in a war... but that would be absurd. We've won our wars because our military is better than the enemies we've fought by and large.

Rev. 21

12 Also she had a great and high wall with twelve gates, and twelve angels at the gates, and names written on them, which are the names of the twelve tribes of the children of Israel:

Why would God bother with something like this if He considered them not to be His people?

[Guest Biblicist]

If Israel is the chosen people of God why is the Bible loaded with statements that Christ came for all people, not just the Jews, and that He brought a new covenant? If the Jews are the chosen people what's the point of anyone else confessing Christ?

David -

Have you not read where Jesus said He came for the children of Israel?

Have you not read that we who are not natural born of Israel have been grafted into Israel only because of the number of Jews who have rejected Jesus? But if their cutting off means riches for us, what will their reconciliation be?

Yes, it is a new covenant, but the new does not cancel out the previous covenant. The LORD's covenant with Abraham was not changed, nor was it eliminated.

If you researched Biblical covenants, and came to understand them, you would understand this.

This is a much better answer.

[nebula]

David of Derby, how ironic that i was reading something just this morning that sprang to mind when i read your comments. God was telling moses what the israelites could expect in return for absolute obedience, and what to expect in return for disobedience.

for disobedience, God would abhor them, and allow all manner of trials to befall them. but that if the the future generations of israelites would repent and turn back to Him, He would not abhor them... He would still require them to suffer for their sin and that of their fathers, but would NOT break His covenant with them, and though they lived in the land of their enemies, He would not allow israel to be totally destroyed, because He is the Lord their God.

they have always been God's chosen people, and i believe we see that promise in effect today... they are living amongst enemies who are trying to destroy them, and while God is allowing them to suffer for their sinfulness, His hand is still upon them and is not allowing them to be destroyed.

God's promises are without repentance. He does not go back on His promises.

Well spoken!

[Guest LadyC]

i forgot to mention where i read that. leviticus... chapter 26 i think. maybe 27.