Sunday

[wordsower]

Amen and Amen, you are such good bible students!! Praise God for His rest!

I struggled so much with this and God simply told me "In all you do, do it to the Glory of God." Amen! That would sum the whole law up! "Today we do enter that rest." Heb 4

SDA's certainly didn't start the Sabbath , they just think they replaced the Jews, sad replacement theology, one of the oldest tricks of Satan and they fell for it. Please join me in praying for them, I was one, praise God delivered from the cult and called to sow the Word. The World Wide Church of God was of the same convictions and doctrines, some of them, and it changed. God brought them into the light, removed the veil. He can do the same with the SDA's.

[Guest yod]

Hey Wordsower...I'd like to ask a few frank questions about SDA doctrine. Would you start a thread about it?

[RGR]

the only reason christians ever get touchy about the Sabbath is because they know it's not Sunday. Big deal?

The Sabbath is not about worship either. EVERYTHING we do is our worship.

Sabbath is about resting from "our" works. Period. You can start doing this anytime on any day. That is what Sabbath is telling you.

But "THE" Sabbath is Friday at sundown to Saturday at sundown. It is our constant reminder of something much deeper than a rule.

Fact beyond all reproof. End of discussion.

[Guest Marc]

Fourth Position:

False Catholic view:

Catholics teach that the Pope changed the Sabbath to Sunday. Catholics worship God on the right day (1st Day) for the wrong reasons. Catholic theology is often confused within itself. Having observed that Christians have always met on Sunday, they figured that God must have transferred the significance of the Sabbath commandment to Sunday. This is simply untrue. The Sabbath is abolished. Sunday is not a day of rest. The resurrection of Christ is the primary reason why Christians meet on Sunday. Catholics flatter themselves into thinking they made the change. Yet even Catholics have always taught that Acts 20:7, 1 Cor 16:1-2 and Rev 1:10 are clear Biblical references supporting the practice of worshipping on Sunday. Although some Catholics have suggested that the pope changed the Sabbath well after Christians had an established practice of Sabbath keeping, this point has been strongly rejected by the highest Catholic authorities today. Notice these quotes:

"If Protestants would follow the Bible, they should worship God on the Sabbath Day. In keeping the Sunday they are following a law of the Catholic Church," (Albert Smith, Chancellor of the Archdiocese of Baltimore replying for the Cardinal in a letter dated February 10, 1920)

"The Catholic Church of its own infallible authority created Sunday a holy day to take the place of the Sabbath of the old law," (Kansas City Catholic, February 9, 1893)

In reality, what the Catholic church believes is that apostle Peter was the first pope (the first pope was in 606 AD not Peter) and that the very earliest Christians, in apostolic times "transferred the solemnity from Saturday to Sunday", by the will of God. Officially Catholics have always taught that the universal practice of the earliest Christians was to meet every Sunday. Seventh-day Adventists actually misrepresent the official teaching of the Catholic church. Yes the Catholic church does teach that it, by authority given to it by God, made the change, but that change was realized early in the Apostolic age. (33-96AD). So Catholics mistakenly call the 1st day, the Sabbath, borrowing the term from the Old Testament, rather than abolishing it with animal sacrifices. Catholics, however, do a lot of judaizing (bring Mosaic practices into the church).

Notice that Catholics DO NOT say that Christians once kept the Sabbath, (Saturday) then CHANGED the day of worship to Sunday. Rather they actually teach that this change took place at the time when Christians first started to worship on Sunday in 33 AD. It is critical to keep in mind that the Catholic church claims direct apostolic authority from the present Pope in Rome right back to Peter.

[Guest yod]

Catholics worship God on the right day (1st Day) for the wrong reasons

every day is the right day for worship.

[ginakay]

I go to participate in corporate worship and Bible study on Sunday. I recognize the 7th day (Fri at sundown to Sat at Sundown) as the Sabbath. It blesses me to recognize that day. I feel the link all the way back to the creation when God rested on the Sabbath and (per Genesis 2:3) he blessed the Sabbath and sanctified it. I think the Sabbath is a gift and I choose to accept it!

[mobile21]

All churches teach one of four positions on the day that Christians worship.

The true position taught in the Bible that the Sabbath was abolished at the cross and Christians have worshipped since the cross, on the first day (Sunday).

The false position taught by Sabbatarians that Saturday is the day Christians worship.

The false position taught by the Catholic Church that the Pope change the day Christians worship from Saturday to Sunday.

The false position taught by most Protestant churches that Sunday is the Christian Sabbath.

Lets start with the first position:

The Truth:

The universal record of history, from the Resurrection of Christ, Christians have always worshipped on the first day of the week (Sunday) and never on the Sabbath (7th day). Sunday is not a Christian Sabbath or a day of rest, or a holy day to be kept.

This quote is used by Sabbatarians, but in fact refutes their position. Campbell, for example, taught that the Sabbath was abolished!

"The first day of the week is commonly called the Sabbath. This is a mistake. The Sabbath of the Bible was the day just preceding the first day of the week. The first day of the week is never called the Sabbath anywhere in the entire Scriptures. It is also an error to talk about the change of the Sabbath from Saturday to Sunday. There is not in any place in the Bible any intimation of such a change." (Alexander Campbell, First Day Observance, pp. 17, 19)

The 10 commandment law including the requirement to keep the Sabbath day were abolished at the cross along with all the rest of the law of Moses. God gave a covenant at Mt. Sinai through Moses to the Jews. It is called the first/old covenant/testament. The ten commandments are the foremost visible representation of this first/old covenant was replaced by a new covenant called, among other things "the law of Christ". 100% of the old covenant was abolished. No part of the Old Covenant remains in force. No one prior to Moses (Abraham or Adam) ever heard of the Sabbath law much less kept it. The very first time that anyone was commanded to keep the Sabbath was in Exodus 16.

The word "Sabbath" is not even found in the book of Genesis. Gen 2:2-3 was written by Moses to tell Jews at Sinai the meaning behind WHY they were to keep the Sabbath, NOT WHEN the Sabbath was instituted. The universal meeting day of Christians after the resurrection was Sunday, and so has been to this very day. Sunday is not a Christian Sabbath or a day of rest, or a holy day to be kept. It is the day God requires all Christians to gather together to worship and eat the Lord's Supper (communion, break bread) Acts 20:7. Christians do not keep the ten commandment law of Moses.

This is not to say that Christians are free to steal, murder and commit adultery, just because the 10 commandments have been abolished. No! Christians are under a new law, a better Law, the law of Christ, (Gal 6:2) a better covenant (Heb 8:6-7). Paul stated, "If anyone thinks he is a prophet or spiritual, let him recognize that the things which I write to you are the Lord's commandment." (1 Corinthians 14:37) Apostle Peter said at the beginning of the establishment of the church, "Moses said, 'THE LORD GOD SHALL RAISE UP FOR YOU A PROPHET LIKE ME FROM YOUR BRETHREN; TO HIM YOU SHALL GIVE HEED in everything He says to you. 'And it shall be that every soul that does not heed that prophet shall be utterly destroyed from among the people.'" Thus we listen to Christ in all things and Moses in nothing. This is New Testament Christianity!

The Pope what????

What are you talking about? if you read the Bible, you'll find that since the very first apostles, the celebration is on Sunday.

P.S. that happens when you get your info from imaginative anti-catholic sources

[wordsower]

Hey Wordsower...I'd like to ask a few frank questions about SDA doctrine. Would you start a thread about it? 

Sure Yod, sorry I just saw this. I'll put it in Apolegetics.

[Guest loriejune]

sunday is the first day of the week according to the bible, specifically the new testament. 'the law' was abolished when jesus was crucified. jesus also made clear that the sabbath was made for man, not man for the sabbath. as the sabbath was/is a rest day, so also can sunday be for today's christian. it's not against god's present will for his children if they chose to not rest the entire day, however. there will be no death sentence if you do some work on a sunday. thus, the harsher elements of keeping to the law have been eradicated from the christian life, unlike that of the jews before christ. fear has been removed to some extent from our worship of god. we should still have a great deal of respect for what he wants out of our worship services, though.

[Guest yod]

the law has never been "abolished"

No one can prove that from the biblical text. It is a bad interpretation taught by erronous preachers who don't even know what the Torah is.

When heaven and earth have passed away, the law will be abolished because the judgement will be complete. Until then, there is only one standard for judgement and it condemns us all.

Wretched man that I am! Who will save me from this body of death? I thank God through Messiah Yeshua our Lord. So then with the mind I myself serve the law of God but with the flesh the law of sin.