God speaks to unbelievers

[~~ angelique ~~]

Is the Holy Spirit for today?

Be Blessed!

In His Love,

Alan

Of course, or Peter would not have quoted:

Ac 2:17

[charlesj]

Is the Holy Spirit for today?

Be Blessed!

In His Love,

Alan

Of course, or Peter would not have quoted:

Ac 2:17

[~~ angelique ~~]

This post is rather confusing. What do you mean the Lord is not speaking to us today as He did in the first century? If possible could you start another topic as to not divert from this one.

thanks ruck1

[charlesj]

This post is rather confusing. What do you mean the Lord is not speaking to us today as He did in the first century? If possible could you start another topic as to not divert from this one.

thanks ruck1

Hello ruck1:

Sorry if I confused you. I think what I said will go along with the same thread..."God speaks to unbelievers"...(or something like that).

Maybe I'm in left field playing baseball by myself?

Let me know what the discussion is. I thought I knew.

I don't get on this forum very often.

your servant in the Messiah,

Semper Fi,

charlesj

[charlesj]

This post is rather confusing. What do you mean the Lord is not speaking to us today as He did in the first century? If possible could you start another topic as to not divert from this one.

thanks ruck1

Hello ruck1:

Sorry if I confused you. I think what I said will go along with the same thread..."God speaks to unbelievers"...(or something like that).

Maybe I'm in left field playing baseball by myself?

Let me know what the discussion is. I thought I knew.

I don't get on this forum very often.

your servant in the Messiah,

Semper Fi,

charlesj

It didnt seem as if what you stated went along with this thread espically the statement I asked u about. What do you mean by the only way an unbeliever is heard? Do you feel that God does not speak to those who dont believe?

Look forward to your response

Hello ruck1:

There is no evidense in the New Covenant that the Lord will speak to an unbeliever besides Acts 10. We do have one case of the first Gentile convert (Cornileus), Acts 10, where he had a "vision" and an angel spoke to him. This was a special case where God is showing Peter (Jews) that the Gentiles were also to be included in New Covenant. Cornileus, an unbeliever, was told that his prayers were heard.

Peter, later, recaps what happened to the first Gentile convert to his brethren (Acts 15:7ff). Peter tells them what happened to "us" (Acts 2, Day of Pentecost) happened to them (Acts 10, Gentiles). This was the baptism of the Holy Spirit, the ONLY two places in the bible where baptism of Holy Spirit occurs.

Today, new covenant age, we have the bible in it's FULL revelation of God's Word. We don't need to listen for a voice, or prophecy etc. Unbelievers are

to hear the Word (Gospel) and that's the way they are "called" to the Lord. When the gospel (death, burial & resurrection of the Lord) is preached, one hears the "call" and will respond either in a negative way, or they will obey the gospel and become a Christian (2 Thes 2:14).

(There are only two ages mentioned in the bible, the O.T. age and the N.T. age. Matthew 12:32 And whosoever speaketh a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him: but whosoever speaketh against the Holy Ghost, it shall not be forgiven him, neither in this age, neither in the age to come.

The "age" when this was written was in the O.T. age and the N.T. age was coming on them soon. "...the age to come."

Some "food for thought", with the two ages in mind, I would like to ask you, do you think every time you see "last days" or "latter days" this means the Christian age? If you look at the context where "last days" is used, think about when it's talking about. (I know this is not on this thread, so I won't say anymore.) Just curious on your thoughts.

We have many cases in the Old Covenant age where God spoke to unbelievers . The Hebrew writer tells us that God spoke in many ways (even with a donkey) during this period of time, but in these last days He speaks to us by His Son. (Heb 1:1ff). The Words of our Lord speak to us today through

the Bible. The new covenant was "sealed" with the death of His Son, Jesus the Christ. (Heb 9:16,17)

BTW, we call this the "new" covenant, but if you look at the Greek word that is translated "new" you will find that it's NOT the Greek word "neo" which

means "new," but is "kainos" which means "fresh." In Jer 31:31 the Lord says He is going to make a "new" covenant etc. and again, the Hebrew word, is "chadash" which means "fresh."

Hope all is well with you and your family,

May the Lord be with you,

Semper Fi,

charlesj

[Grungekid]

Grungekid has a response just after you comments. I would like to comment on what he says here. People ARE NOT CONVERTED to Christianity by "visions."

Obeying the gospel is the ONLY way to be converted to our Lord. Romans 6:3ff is speaking to Christians and how they were saved.... Romans 6:17,18, still in the context of salvation, says: 17 But God be thanked, that ye were the servants of sin, but ye have obeyed from the heart that form of doctrine which was delivered you.

18 Being then made free from sin, ye became the servants of righteousness.

What I meant was that they no longer believed in the Muslim religion as the truth.

[Guest]

"He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him." (John 3:36)

If God did not speak to unbelievers then how is it we now believe?

God Did More That Talk!

"But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us." (Romans 5:8)

And He Is Still Long Suffering

"The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance." (2 Peter 3:9)

And He Calls And Calls

"For the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness; but unto us which are saved it is the power of God.

For it is written, I will destroy the wisdom of the wise, and will bring to nothing the understanding of the prudent.

Where is the wise? where is the scribe? where is the disputer of this world? hath not God made foolish the wisdom of this world?

For after that in the wisdom of God the world by wisdom knew not God, it pleased God by the foolishness of preaching to save them that believe." (1 Corinthians 1:18-21)

Until It's Finished

"And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come." (Matthew 24:14)

Amen!

Even So, Come Quickly Lord Jesus Come Quickly!

[charlesj]

Hello ruck1:

There is no evidense in the New Covenant that the Lord will speak to an unbeliever besides Acts 10. We do have one case of the first Gentile convert (Cornileus), Acts 10, where he had a "vision" and an angel spoke to him. This was a special case where God is showing Peter (Jews) that the Gentiles were also to be included in New Covenant. Cornileus, an unbeliever, was told that his prayers were heard.

Peter, later, recaps what happened to the first Gentile convert to his brethren (Acts 15:7ff). Peter tells them what happened to "us" (Acts 2, Day of Pentecost) happened to them (Acts 10, Gentiles). This was the baptism of the Holy Spirit, the ONLY two places in the bible where baptism of Holy Spirit occurs.

Today, new covenant age, we have the bible in it's FULL revelation of God's Word. We don't need to listen for a voice, or prophecy etc. Unbelievers are

to hear the Word (Gospel) and that's the way they are "called" to the Lord. When the gospel (death, burial & resurrection of the Lord) is preached, one hears the "call" and will respond either in a negative way, or they will obey the gospel and become a Christian (2 Thes 2:14).

(There are only two ages mentioned in the bible, the O.T. age and the N.T. age. Matthew 12:32 And whosoever speaketh a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him: but whosoever speaketh against the Holy Ghost, it shall not be forgiven him, neither in this age, neither in the age to come.

The "age" when this was written was in the O.T. age and the N.T. age was coming on them soon. "...the age to come."

Some "food for thought", with the two ages in mind, I would like to ask you, do you think every time you see "last days" or "latter days" this means the Christian age? If you look at the context where "last days" is used, think about when it's talking about. (I know this is not on this thread, so I won't say anymore.) Just curious on your thoughts.

We have many cases in the Old Covenant age where God spoke to unbelievers . The Hebrew writer tells us that God spoke in many ways (even with a donkey) during this period of time, but in these last days He speaks to us by His Son. (Heb 1:1ff). The Words of our Lord speak to us today through

the Bible. The new covenant was "sealed" with the death of His Son, Jesus the Christ. (Heb 9:16,17)

BTW, we call this the "new" covenant, but if you look at the Greek word that is translated "new" you will find that it's NOT the Greek word "neo" which

means "new," but is "kainos" which means "fresh." In Jer 31:31 the Lord says He is going to make a "new" covenant etc. and again, the Hebrew word, is "chadash" which means "fresh."

Hope all is well with you and your family,

May the Lord be with you,

Semper Fi,

charlesj

I have read what you have stated, but your point has not yet been made. The fact is no one can even hear the Gospel without God conditioning their heart to hear it. It is by God and God alone that the revelation of the Son comes in. If God did not speak to unbelievers then how is it we now believe? I will stick to this point.

Honestly, I dont know what you are talking about with the rest of your statements, so I will wait to respond if the Lord so requires one. All I can add is that God spoke to me, not in some audible voice or vision, but directly to my heart. It was by Him that I came to truly entrust myself to Him.

ruck1: Notice how the gospel is delivered and the authority, of Jesus, of His apostles & the Bible. Now we ONLY have the bible as our source of

study.

ALLENGIENCE TO GOD

1. Let

[MorningGlory]

Brother I'm one for straight talk. I pray if someone can interpret what our brother is saying please tell me.

Once again this is the point, God does speak to unbelievers, weather it is through His Word, or through a saint. You pointed out brother that in these last days it is Christ who speaks right. So the fact is God is speaking. Sometimes it is still in the silence of the moment when a person has no one else but the Spirit of God speaking to them those things that were previously sown.

Also if God is not speaking to His elect, then what's the point.

Brother, may I advise you two things.

1) Let us be careful with our words, they may just stumble the brethren.

2) Keep it simple.

I'm for the 'keep it simple' doctrine too. I have seen those who are weak in faith totally turned off by having too much theology thrown at them all at once. I myself sometimes feel like I'm tangled in a web of some kind when plodding through endless quotes and notes that only a theologian can understand.

[MorningGlory]

Brother I'm one for straight talk. I pray if someone can interpret what our brother is saying please tell me.

Once again this is the point, God does speak to unbelievers, weather it is through His Word, or through a saint. You pointed out brother that in these last days it is Christ who speaks right. So the fact is God is speaking. Sometimes it is still in the silence of the moment when a person has no one else but the Spirit of God speaking to them those things that were previously sown.

Also if God is not speaking to His elect, then what's the point.

Brother, may I advise you two things.

1) Let us be careful with our words, they may just stumble the brethren.

2) Keep it simple.

I'm for the 'keep it simple' doctrine too. I have seen those who are weak in faith totally turned off by having too much theology thrown at them all at once. I myself sometimes feel like I'm tangled in a web of some kind when plodding through endless quotes and notes that only a theologian can understand.

I often wonder if some of them even understand what they have written. We forget the words of our Lord.. "the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life". All that endless rhetoric not only makes me bored, but it gives me nothing practical. I thank God that life with Him is just that and not simply head knowledge. Thank you sister. I pray that like our Lord we offer what the mind can take. Sometimes its as simple as a story. Bless the Lord He is simple in His complexity.