Biblical times vs. Science

[Mamato3]

Most so called scientific evidence is based on other

[VRSpock]

A scientist friend of mine, he's a physicist, has brought up many arguments against evolution and one of the most compelling ones is the mere mathematics of the big bang "theory" and star formation.

There is no arguing between secular scientists and Christian scientists that the universe contains billions of galaxies or that each galaxy contains billions of stars. This comes out to about 10 to the 25th power or 10 with 25 zeros behind it stars that exist in the universe. Everyone agrees that time had a beginning point and that time will eventually end. The secular scientists claim that the universe is approximately 16 billion years old and that all of those stars formed through a natural process.

If you divide 10 to the 25th power by 16 billion years you will come up with a rate of star formation around 220,000 stars per second if they all formed over a period of 16 billion years! This would mean that whereever we point a telescope out into space, we should see stars forming. Yet, other than in computer simulations on the discovery channel, no one has ever witnessed a star forming naturally.

Another physicist made the argument that perhaps they all formed very quickly in the beginning of time. If this was true, then we should see an avalanche of stars forming as we peer out "16 billion" light years into space....yet astronomers see mature stars or dying ones where ever they look.

There's also the spin vectors of objects in space that prove that the universe did not arrive out of some sort of explosion.

Evolution is pure fantasy...plain and simple. It is NOT science by any means, but is an excuse to generate federal funding to keep the secular scientists paid as they continue a never ending pursuit for evidence that does not exist at the expense of sound scientific principles and integrity.

I used to believe in evolution and was a devote atheist for nearly 10 years because of several generations worth of vain imaginings that was put into text books and called factual information. It took a manifestation of G-d to break me out of the mindset that I had fallen into.

Jesus said in the book of Matthew that man has been here since the beginning, so anyone who believes that the earth formed over millions or even thousands of years yet says they trust in G-d's written word has a choice to make. Either evolutionists are right and it took millions of years for man to be formed through some long drawn out process and Jesus is a liar, or G-d made man in the begining just as Genesis 1 says He did. There is no in between...only hot and cold. Don't let the devil whisper lies into your ears.

G-d will make fools out of those who claim to be wise.

[patricia1]

on the other hand science can prove the word of God to be truth

Remember that geographically there were a much greater spanse of land years ago. We do not know how long adam and eve were in eden. We do know How Long they lived

Yet we have the flood that covered the land.

Try not to look in todays terms. There was also 2000 yrs in between the new and old testaments.

Jesus just has to keep some people busy...Read Scientific Evidence that demands a Verdict by Josh mcDowell. Yes I believe thats it.

Oh by the way, There are written papers of the account thry believe was the death of Jesus from Ireland. The people knew something 'holy' and devestating happened cause their 'sky darkened' as well and they felt the 'earth tremble' It was reported because it scared them ...Yet they knew not of Christs death. I read it in a irish history book from a irish library here in America which is no longer in existance in my county. You can probably find the account....

[Guest]

I am full of questions today...

What do you do when you see some scientific evidence that makes you doubt or makes you have a doubtful thoughts towards the written word in the Bible?

For instance, I watch that show Cities of the Underworld and last week they showed the Vikings and Ireland. They found a place that was scientifically (carbon dated) proven to be from 3500BC. How is that possible? I believe with all my heart in the Bible and it's words, but when scientific theories are thrown out there, I think...hey how is that possible? When were Adam and Eve on Earth?

Another for instance...dinosaurs. Were they extinct because of the great flood in Noah's time or what???

I want some logical answers here! Are there any?

As others have pointed out, the scientific community thinks evolution is right and therefore their conclusions about dating and ancient life can be seriously flawed.

Here's a site that will help with the dinos and the flood: In the Beginning

[Mamato3]

on the other hand science can prove the word of God to be truth

Remember that geographically there were a much greater spanse of land years ago. We do not know how long adam and eve were in eden. We do know How Long they lived

Yet we have the flood that covered the land.

Try not to look in todays terms. There was also 2000 yrs in between the new and old testaments.

Jesus just has to keep some people busy...Read Scientific Evidence that demands a Verdict by Josh mcDowell. Yes I believe thats it.

Oh by the way, There are written papers of the account thry believe was the death of Jesus from Ireland. The people knew something 'holy' and devestating happened cause their 'sky darkened' as well and they felt the 'earth tremble' It was reported because it scared them ...Yet they knew not of Christs death. I read it in a irish history book from a irish library here in America which is no longer in existance in my county. You can probably find the account....

Hi Patricia,

Your post made me think of a show I saw with Simcha Jacobovici - The Naked Archaeologist. He showed how God could have used the Earth's natural processes to send the ten plagues on the Egyptians. For example, the water turning to blood, killing all fish except the frogs and so on...well not to many decades ago, this exact same phenomena occured somewhere (forgive for forgetting where) and the water turned red like blood due to some gas that was released below the surface of the water. In turn, all the fish died from the gas that was released to turn the water red and the reason the frogs lived was because they were the only animal able to jump out of the water and survive on land. In fact, they talked (in the more recent occurance) about how this gas killed all the villagers much like all the first born males were killed in Biblical times. The reason the first borns were killed was due to the location of where they slept...the gas reached them and no one else. It was SO interesting to watch!

Did anyone else see this show? It made total sense...of course the plagues were the work of God, but he used the natural processes of the earth to make the plagues occur.

[VRSpock]

There are many theories that attempt to explain almost every aspect of G-d and His Word in natural ways. When we do that, we are applying man's philisophical understanding and man's opinion to a super natural creator.

Any attempt to understand G-d's miracles or plagues through our own finite minds makes us foolish. We've had a person raised from the dead at our local church in the past. It wasn't that people thought they were dead. It was that the paramedics arrived, declared them dead and the deceased person had released all bodily fluids and all of the other post moderm processes were going on...the senior pastor continued praying for them and they came back to life after a great deal of time after being declared legally and scientifically dead by medical technicians. I myself have received super natural healing in my kidneys and various other parts of my body. Neither of these events happend through a natural process that would fit into our finite understanding of things.

What the idea presented that G-d did things through "natural processes" does is attempt to restrain G-d's power to that of the very curse that He Himself placed on this earth when man fell in the garden. You see, the second law of thermodynamics that says that everything tends to go from a state of orderliness to a state of disorder is merely describing the very nature of G-d's curse upon the earth. "Natural processes", aging, deterioration, erosion, sickness and death are all by-products of G-d excercising His power, not a limitation of His power.

It is in our very nature to try to explain these things away in a "natural" way because we are 1/3 fleshly beings with "natural" minds. The bible and science agrees greatly on many things....one of the most astonishing being that in Psalms 19:6 it says concerning the sun "It rises at one end of the heavens and makes its circuit to the other; nothing is hidden from its heat." It never said that the sun ever completed that "circuit". The sun has an orbit (not a geocentric one btw, but "it's circuit") that was not mapped out until the late 1990's when astronomers were able to use another star as a reference to map the orbit of the sun around the center of our galaxy. It is estimated that it will take the sun over 200 million years to complete one orbit around that circuit...something we will never witness.

G-d made fools out of those who proclaimed this verse to be about geocentricity and that scripture was not scientifically accurate! Indeed the writer of the psalm was truly inspired by G-d to write about astrometrical data concerning the orbit of our sun.

Quantum Physics has also showed us that through our own understanding of the universe, we are left with more questions than answers because things don't behave at the quantum level as they ought to when applying our understanding of the natural laws.

The Jewish Talmud records events in the Temple that were super natural in nature. For example, all that meat in the temple did not rot. The blood did not bring in bugs or fowl smells. The bread was fresh baked a week later after it was baked. The natural laws of the curse on sin was null and void in the presence of the Shakana glory of G-d Almighty. All that went away because of idolatry being present in the midst of our Holy G-d.

We are subject to natural laws and therefore our science or "knowledge" of the natural world does have value. However, G-d is not by any means subject to the natural laws that He created and He can override those natural laws whenever He wills to do so, just as He can and did override the spiritual laws concerning our salvation!

[MorningGlory]

If you build a house from a tree that is 500 years old...How old is the house????

The house would be new....it would be an entirely different object than the 500 year old tree; even though made from it.

[VRSpock]

If you build a house from a tree that is 500 years old...How old is the house????

The house would be new....it would be an entirely different object than the 500 year old tree; even though made from it.

Yes, but according to the carbon dating of the wood, the house is over 500 years old.

[patricia1]

some scientists believe the red sea was a few inches high. Kind of hard to believe a whole army, horses were stupid enough to drown. one or two yes...but a whole army...NO!

Sometimes they lose a sense of logic.

The problem of the gas theory is that why were the other children not affected. Did the gas know who the firstborns were.

It still rains fish in Scotland and England. It does not matter How its done..In revelatons in is going to happen to the oceans and seas. If Jesus used a cloud by day and a pillar of fire by night...we can speculate ourselves into hell.... I was not there so I cannot comment. Theories are not facts...

[Guest]

Amen!

"That your faith should not stand in the wisdom of men, but in the power of God." (1 Corinthians 2:5)