Question regarding age of universe & light from distant stars

[Gerioke]

Joshua 10:13 about the sun and moon standing still. Cannot occur without defying the laws of nature or science. Merely evidence that the Bible should be read as myth.

Or. . . evidence that the ground you stand upon is a little shakier than you would like to believe. It cuts both ways.

Sorry to disappoint but the ground I stand on is pretty firm.

There is no reason to believe that the Joshua story is factual. The fact that it is written down is not "evidence".

Just like your words are not evidence that you are real.

From the peanut gallery......have y'all decided the age of the universe yet?

I'm pretty sure it was a while back.

[Gerioke]

First was the use of a tool not available in Kenyon's days-radioactive dating. When a piece of charcoal from the burned city was examined by carbon-14 testing-generally reliable for materials up to 4,000 years old-it yielded the date of 1410 B.C., almost precisely the time of the conquest and burning of Jericho as determined from biblical chronology. (According to 1 Kings 6:1, Solomon's temple was inaugurated 480 years after the Exodus, which would place this event at approximately 1443 B.C. After 40 years in the wilderness, the Israelites would have entered the Promised Land around 1403 B.C.)

I was not questioning the existence of Jericho, just the sun and moon stood still claim.

It is interesting to note that C-14 dating was used and seems to be with approval. However, the statement I underlined is not quite accurate. C-14 has a 1/2 life of about 5600 years, and can be used to date items up to 50,000 to 60,000 years old. The claim that it is "generally reliable for materials up to 4,000 years old" is misleading and not entirely accurate.

You would need faith to accept "the sun and moon stood still claim".

[mikeinsarasota]

First was the use of a tool not available in Kenyon's days-radioactive dating. When a piece of charcoal from the burned city was examined by carbon-14 testing-generally reliable for materials up to 4,000 years old-it yielded the date of 1410 B.C., almost precisely the time of the conquest and burning of Jericho as determined from biblical chronology. (According to 1 Kings 6:1, Solomon's temple was inaugurated 480 years after the Exodus, which would place this event at approximately 1443 B.C. After 40 years in the wilderness, the Israelites would have entered the Promised Land around 1403 B.C.)

I was not questioning the existence of Jericho, just the sun and moon stood still claim.

It is interesting to note that C-14 dating was used and seems to be with approval. However, the statement I underlined is not quite accurate. C-14 has a 1/2 life of about 5600 years, and can be used to date items up to 50,000 to 60,000 years old. The claim that it is "generally reliable for materials up to 4,000 years old" is misleading and not entirely accurate.

You would need faith to accept "the sun and moon stood still claim".

And the ability to willfully ignore and reject scientific facts.

[Gerioke]

First was the use of a tool not available in Kenyon's days-radioactive dating. When a piece of charcoal from the burned city was examined by carbon-14 testing-generally reliable for materials up to 4,000 years old-it yielded the date of 1410 B.C., almost precisely the time of the conquest and burning of Jericho as determined from biblical chronology. (According to 1 Kings 6:1, Solomon's temple was inaugurated 480 years after the Exodus, which would place this event at approximately 1443 B.C. After 40 years in the wilderness, the Israelites would have entered the Promised Land around 1403 B.C.)

I was not questioning the existence of Jericho, just the sun and moon stood still claim.

It is interesting to note that C-14 dating was used and seems to be with approval. However, the statement I underlined is not quite accurate. C-14 has a 1/2 life of about 5600 years, and can be used to date items up to 50,000 to 60,000 years old. The claim that it is "generally reliable for materials up to 4,000 years old" is misleading and not entirely accurate.

You would need faith to accept "the sun and moon stood still claim".

And the ability to willfully ignore and reject scientific facts.

So explain it then? Or do you not believe what the scriptures say?

[MorningGlory]

I'm pretty sure it was a while back.

[MorningGlory]

First was the use of a tool not available in Kenyon's days-radioactive dating. When a piece of charcoal from the burned city was examined by carbon-14 testing-generally reliable for materials up to 4,000 years old-it yielded the date of 1410 B.C., almost precisely the time of the conquest and burning of Jericho as determined from biblical chronology. (According to 1 Kings 6:1, Solomon's temple was inaugurated 480 years after the Exodus, which would place this event at approximately 1443 B.C. After 40 years in the wilderness, the Israelites would have entered the Promised Land around 1403 B.C.)

I was not questioning the existence of Jericho, just the sun and moon stood still claim.

It is interesting to note that C-14 dating was used and seems to be with approval. However, the statement I underlined is not quite accurate. C-14 has a 1/2 life of about 5600 years, and can be used to date items up to 50,000 to 60,000 years old. The claim that it is "generally reliable for materials up to 4,000 years old" is misleading and not entirely accurate.

You would need faith to accept "the sun and moon stood still claim".

And the ability to willfully ignore and reject scientific facts.

Since the Lord created science and our ability to understand it....temporarily stopping the movement of the sun and moon should be no problem for Him.

[mikeinsarasota]

First was the use of a tool not available in Kenyon's days-radioactive dating. When a piece of charcoal from the burned city was examined by carbon-14 testing-generally reliable for materials up to 4,000 years old-it yielded the date of 1410 B.C., almost precisely the time of the conquest and burning of Jericho as determined from biblical chronology. (According to 1 Kings 6:1, Solomon's temple was inaugurated 480 years after the Exodus, which would place this event at approximately 1443 B.C. After 40 years in the wilderness, the Israelites would have entered the Promised Land around 1403 B.C.)

I was not questioning the existence of Jericho, just the sun and moon stood still claim.

It is interesting to note that C-14 dating was used and seems to be with approval. However, the statement I underlined is not quite accurate. C-14 has a 1/2 life of about 5600 years, and can be used to date items up to 50,000 to 60,000 years old. The claim that it is "generally reliable for materials up to 4,000 years old" is misleading and not entirely accurate.

You would need faith to accept "the sun and moon stood still claim".

And the ability to willfully ignore and reject scientific facts.

Since the Lord created science and our ability to understand it....temporarily stopping the movement of the sun and moon should be no problem for Him.

If God created science and can, at any time He pleases, cause the laws thereof to cease to be true, even momentarily, then science becomes a futile undertaking. Why would He endow us with such big brains if when we use them we lead to falsehoods?

[Gerioke]

First was the use of a tool not available in Kenyon's days-radioactive dating. When a piece of charcoal from the burned city was examined by carbon-14 testing-generally reliable for materials up to 4,000 years old-it yielded the date of 1410 B.C., almost precisely the time of the conquest and burning of Jericho as determined from biblical chronology. (According to 1 Kings 6:1, Solomon's temple was inaugurated 480 years after the Exodus, which would place this event at approximately 1443 B.C. After 40 years in the wilderness, the Israelites would have entered the Promised Land around 1403 B.C.)

I was not questioning the existence of Jericho, just the sun and moon stood still claim.

It is interesting to note that C-14 dating was used and seems to be with approval. However, the statement I underlined is not quite accurate. C-14 has a 1/2 life of about 5600 years, and can be used to date items up to 50,000 to 60,000 years old. The claim that it is "generally reliable for materials up to 4,000 years old" is misleading and not entirely accurate.

You would need faith to accept "the sun and moon stood still claim".

And the ability to willfully ignore and reject scientific facts.

Since the Lord created science and our ability to understand it....temporarily stopping the movement of the sun and moon should be no problem for Him.

If God created science and can, at any time He pleases, cause the laws thereof to cease to be true, even momentarily, then science becomes a futile undertaking. Why would He endow us with such big brains if when we use them we lead to falsehoods?

Perhaps you are misusing your big brain. Is it not God's prerogative to do as He wishes with His Universe?

[Guest]

Eyes Look

For the eyes of the LORD run to and fro throughout the whole earth, to shew himself strong in the behalf of them whose heart is perfect toward him.... 2 Chronicles 16:9

A Man Breaks

The sacrifices of God are a broken spirit: a broken and a contrite heart, O God, thou wilt not despise. Psalm 51:17

A Believer Is Born

He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him. John 3:36

Rejoice! The LORD Comes To Judge

Let the heavens rejoice, and let the earth be glad; let the sea roar, and the fulness thereof.

Let the field be joyful, and all that is therein: then shall all the trees of the wood rejoice

Before the LORD: for he cometh, for he cometh to judge the earth: he shall judge the world with righteousness, and the people with his truth. Psalm 96:11-13

Amen!

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If God created science and can, at any time He pleases, cause the laws thereof to cease to be true, even momentarily, then science becomes a futile undertaking.

Dear Mike If You Are Trying To Use Science To Search Out The Eternal It May Indeed Become So

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The Trouble With Our Head

Our Minds Can Not Limit His Thoughts And Ways

"For my thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways my ways, saith the LORD." Isaiah 55:8

That Which Can Be Measured Can Not Limit His Power And Might

"Jesus said unto her, I am the resurrection, and the life: he that believeth in me, though he were dead, yet shall he live:" John 11:25

Men Will See His Eternal Power And Godhead But Will Not Give Him The Glory

"For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:"

"Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened." Romans 1:20-21

Believe His Word

"For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life."

"For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved."

"He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God." John 3:16-18

Amen!

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Why would He endow us with such big brains if when we use them we lead to falsehoods?

Big?

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The Trouble With The Head Is The Heart

Man's Beat

Mean Heart

"And God saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually." Genesis 6:5

Nasty Heart

"The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God. They are corrupt, they have done abominable works, there is none that doeth good."

"The LORD looked down from heaven upon the children of men, to see if there were any that did understand, and seek God."

"They are all gone aside, they are all together become filthy: there is none that doeth good, no, not one." Psalms 14:1-4

Lying Cheating Heart

"The heart is deceitful above all things, and desperately wicked: who can know it?" Jeremiah 17:9

Or God's Beat

Wise Heart

"who hath directed the Spirit of the LORD, or being his counselor hath taught him?" Isaiah 40:13

Loving Heart

"But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us." Romans 5:8

Heartbeat Of Trust

"Trust in the LORD with all thy heart; and lean not unto your own understanding."

"In all thy ways acknowledge him, and he shall direct thy paths."

"Be not wise in your own eyes: fear the LORD, and depart from evil." Proverbs 3:5-7

The Heartbeat Of Peace

"And the peace of God, which passes all understanding, shall keep your hearts and minds through Christ Jesus." Philippians 4:7

The Heartbeat Of God's Wonder

"But as it is written, Eye hath not seen, nor ear heard, neither have entered into the heart of man, the things which God hath prepared for them that love him." 1 Corinthians 2:9

Amen!

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"Now the God of peace, that brought again from the dead our Lord Jesus, that great shepherd of the sheep, through the blood of the everlasting covenant,"

"Make you perfect in every good work to do his will, working in you that which is wellpleasing in his sight, through Jesus Christ; to whom be glory for ever and ever. Amen" Hebrews 13:20-21

Amen!

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And Be Blessed Beloved Of The LORD

The LORD bless thee, and keep thee:

The LORD make his face shine upon thee, and be gracious unto thee:

The LORD lift up his countenance upon thee, and give thee peace.

And they shall put my name upon the children of Israel, and I will bless them. Numbers 6:24-27

Love, Your Brother Joe

[MorningGlory]

If God created science and can, at any time He pleases, cause the laws thereof to cease to be true, even momentarily, then science becomes a futile undertaking. Why would He endow us with such big brains if when we use them we lead to falsehoods?

Why would that lead to science being futile? You are talking about two different things; one being the physical laws that are constant and other being the ability of the Almighty to suspend those laws if He chooses. We may have big brains and the ability to understand science but....God is in control of what was, what is, and what is to come. Science is the tool we use to understand how our world works; the Bible is the tool we use to understand why it exists in the first place.