Question regarding age of universe & light from distant stars

[Gerioke]

I'm glad there are others here who believe in miracles.

[Gerioke]

I'm glad there are others here who believe in miracles.

Haven't you guys heard the Good News according to some? Man is the center of everything, God is lucky just to be along for the ride.

[mikeinsarasota]

If God created science and can, at any time He pleases, cause the laws thereof to cease to be true, even momentarily, then science becomes a futile undertaking. Why would He endow us with such big brains if when we use them we lead to falsehoods?

Why would that lead to science being futile? You are talking about two different things; one being the physical laws that are constant and other being the ability of the Almighty to suspend those laws if He chooses. We may have big brains and the ability to understand science but....God is in control of what was, what is, and what is to come. Science is the tool we use to understand how our world works; the Bible is the tool we use to understand why it exists in the first place.

If God can change the laws at any time He sees fit, then they aren't that constant are they? So they're only constant when God chooses them to be? That doesn't lead to a lot of reproducilbe experiments.

[Guest]

"For the LORD your God is God of gods, and Lord of lords, a great God, a mighty, and a terrible, which regardeth not persons, nor taketh reward:" Deuteronomy 10:7

"For ye have not received the spirit of bondage again to fear; but ye have received the Spirit of adoption, whereby we cry, Abba, Father." Romans 8:15

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"See now that I, even I, am he, and there is no god with me: I kill, and I make alive; I wound, and I heal: neither is there there any that can deliver out of my hand." Deuteronomy 32:39

"Looking unto Jesus the author and finisher of our faith; who for the joy that was set before him endured the cross, despising the shame, and is set down at the right hand of the throne of God." Hebrews 12:2

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"For there is not a just man upon earth, that doeth good, and sinneth not." Ecclesiastes 7:20

"But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us." Romans 5:8

"For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life." John 3:16

I'm glad there are others here who believe in miracles.

Haven't you guys heard the Good News according to some? Man is the center of everything, God is lucky just to be along for the ride.

Is There Hope For The Mud Dweller

God Calls

Come

The LORD hath appeared of old unto me, saying, Yea, I have loved thee with an everlasting love: therefore with lovingkindness have I drawn thee. Jeremiah 31:3

Unrighteous Sinner

But we are all as an unclean thing, and all our righteousnesses are as filthy rags; and we all do fade as a leaf; and our iniquities, like the wind, have taken us away. Isaiah 64:6

Though Your Sins Be As Scarlet

Come now, and let us reason together, saith the LORD: though your sins be as scarlet, they shall be as white as snow; though they be red like crimson, they shall be as wool. Isaiah 1:18

With His Stripes You Are Healed

But he was wounded for our transgressions, he was bruised for our iniquities: the chastisement of our peace was upon him; and with his stripes we are healed. Isaiah 53:5

Believe In The LORD

Ye are my witnesses, saith the LORD, and my servant whom I have chosen: that ye may know and believe me, and understand that I am he: before me there was no God formed, neither shall there be after me. I, even I, am the LORD; and beside me there is no saviour. Isaiah 43:10-11

Come

I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and morning star. And the Spirit and the bride say, Come. And let him that heareth say, Come. And let him that is athirst come. And whosoever will, let him take the water of life freely. Revelation 22:16-17

Amen

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Be Blessed Beloved

The LORD bless thee, and keep thee:

The LORD make his face shine upon thee, and be gracious unto thee:

The LORD lift up his countenance upon thee, and give thee peace.

And they shall put my name upon the children of Israel; and I will bless them. Numbers 6:24-27

Love, Joe

[Gerioke]

If God created science and can, at any time He pleases, cause the laws thereof to cease to be true, even momentarily, then science becomes a futile undertaking. Why would He endow us with such big brains if when we use them we lead to falsehoods?

Why would that lead to science being futile? You are talking about two different things; one being the physical laws that are constant and other being the ability of the Almighty to suspend those laws if He chooses. We may have big brains and the ability to understand science but....God is in control of what was, what is, and what is to come. Science is the tool we use to understand how our world works; the Bible is the tool we use to understand why it exists in the first place.

If God can change the laws at any time He sees fit, then they aren't that constant are they? So they're only constant when God chooses them to be? That doesn't lead to a lot of reproducilbe experiments.

This is probably why mosts scientist do not like God. He discredits their profession.

[The Lorax]

This is probably why mosts scientist do not like God. He discredits their profession.

That makes for a funny joke, Gerioke, but I'm curious: Do you really think most scientists do not like God?

I work in the life sciences and I LOVE God. Science helps me appreciate God and the genius of His Creation. Now, I know a lot of my colleagues don't believe in God, but I can't think of ANY that dis-like him. Either you don't know God, or you know God and love Him.

[Gerioke]

This is probably why mosts scientist do not like God. He discredits their profession.

That makes for a funny joke, Gerioke, but I'm curious: Do you really think most scientists do not like God?

I work in the life sciences and I LOVE God. Science helps me appreciate God and the genius of His Creation. Now, I know a lot of my colleagues don't believe in God, but I can't think of ANY that dis-like him. Either you don't know God, or you know God and love Him.

I think anybody who denies the obvious has a dislike for it. If you listen carefully, the way athiests talk about God, you will notice that they address Him as if He's real but deny His existance.

Pride in action.

[Guest]

"But he that sinneth against me wrongeth his own soul: all they that hate me love death."

Proverbs 8:36

"The LORD hath appeared of old unto me, saying, Yea, I have loved thee with an everlasting love: therefore with lovingkindness have I drawn thee."

Jeremiah 31:3

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"In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them."

2 Corinthians 4:4

"He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil.

For every one that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved.

But he that doeth truth cometh to the light, that his deeds may be made manifest, that they are wrought in God."

John 3:18-21

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"For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved."

John 3:16-17

Do you really think most scientists do not like God?

Dear Brother Dislike Is An Understatement

Sinner - Savior - Hallelujah Man

Sinner

As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one: There is none that understandeth, there is none that seeketh after God.

They are all gone out of the way, they are together become unprofitable; there is none that doeth good, no, not one.

Their throat is an open sepulchre; with their tongues they have used deceit; the poison of asps is under their lips:

Romans 3:10-13

Savior

Looking unto Jesus the author and finisher of our faith; who for the joy that was set before him endured the cross, despising the shame, and is set down at the right hand of the throne of God. For consider him that endured such contradiction of sinners against himself, lest ye be wearied and faint in your minds.

Hebrews 12:2-3

Hallelujah Man

Praise ye the LORD. Praise ye the LORD from the heavens: praise him in the heights.

Praise ye him, all his angels: praise ye him, all his hosts.

Praise ye him, sun and moon: praise him, all ye stars of light.

Praise him, ye heavens of heavens, and ye waters that be above the heavens.

Let them praise the name of the LORD: for he commanded, and they were created.

He hath also stablished them for ever and ever: he hath made a decree which shall not pass.

Praise the LORD from the earth, ye dragons, and all deeps:

Fire, and hail; snow, and vapour; stormy wind fulfilling his word:

Mountains, and all hills; fruitful trees, and all cedars:

Beasts, and all cattle; creeping things, and flying fowl:

Kings of the earth, and all people; princes, and all judges of the earth:

Both young men, and maidens; old men, and children:

Let them praise the name of the LORD: for his name alone is excellent; his glory is above the earth and heaven.

He also exalteth the horn of his people, the praise of all his saints; even of the children of Israel, a people near unto him. Praise ye the LORD.

Psalms 148

Be Blessed Beloved Of The LORD

The LORD bless thee, and keep thee:

The LORD make his face shine upon thee, and be gracious unto thee:

The LORD lift up his countenance upon thee, and give thee peace.

And they shall put my name upon the children of Israel; and I will bless them. Numbers 6:24-27

Love, Your Brother Joe

[The Lorax]

I think anybody who denies the obvious has a dislike for it.

The existence of God is not obvious to everyone. The word faith is used for a reason.

If you listen carefully, the way athiests talk about God, you will notice that they address Him as if He's real but deny His existance.

What are you implying? You think atheists are closet theists?

[MorningGlory]

If God can change the laws at any time He sees fit, then they aren't that constant are they? So they're only constant when God chooses them to be? That doesn't lead to a lot of reproducilbe experiments.

Reproducible by....God? Or science? Let me put it this way; God wrote the physical laws that govern the universe. If He chooses to suspend those laws, for His own reasons, we're going to have to live with it. Such things come under the heading of miracles and are not dissectable in a laboratory or suitable for chemical analysis. But the laws are constant, just as He is. He is the same yesterday, today and tomorrow.