Once saved always saved?

[Guest Called]

Last thing I will say on this thread. I believe you forfeit your salvation when you reject it and the One who made the way for you to be saved. If I get saved and then a few years down the road, I decide this Jesus stuff isn't for me. Am I still going to be in heaven? I doubt it. Yes, God is loving and kind. However, He is holy, just and righteous.

I always questioned OSAS and one day I realized that if the OSAS doctrine is wrong, then there are alot of people who are not living for God, but still think that because they walked the aisle of a church they are saved, that are going to hell. I didn't want to take that chance. Because I no longer accept the OSAS doctrine doesn't me that I am stressed out and worried about if I sin. I do sin, but I repent and turn away from the sin. I know I won't change anyones view on this. I just wanted to speak about my own experience. God Bless!

[Khristeeanos]

To me, if we really love Jesus, we don't need a doctrine to tell us we can turn away and still be a follower of Christ.

Yup, I guess it all comes down to love. :il:

[Work in Progress]

John 10:28:

" and I give eternal life to them, and they shall never perish; and no one shall snatch them out of My hand"

That's good enough for me. If they decide that they "don't want it anymore", then they obviously didn't have the Holy Spirit in the first place. Because to use God and Christ like they are some "fad" is completely contrary to Scripture. They can't be turned 'on' and 'off' and the perfect plan of Salvation is not subject to failure. The call of the Holy Spirit is perfect and unable to be denied. To me, it's like saying God's plan was - "okay, I'll sacrifice my Son, I have this plan, but I'm so weak that it all depends on the human. They may even 'play' with it for a while. Maybe it will take, maybe it won't." That is so offensive to me. JMO

Like you, I know no one will change their minds. Just stating my beliefs.

[BobTriez]

To me, if we really love Jesus, we don't need a doctrine to tell us we can turn away and still be a follower of Christ.

Yup, I guess it all comes down to love. :il:

That's about the best comment I've read yet! And how true....the only comment I'd make on all this is what Called ( sorry, I didn't catch your first name ) said -

If I get saved and then a few years down the road, I decide this Jesus stuff isn't for me. Am I still going to be in heaven?

I know this will sound like an argument OSAS folks use a lot, but do you think it's possible such a person really was never saved since they really never made the commitment and never really surrendered 100 % over to Jesus ? I realize it's not our place to judge someone's heart, but any true born-again Christian has no desire to reject Christ...As Paul said in Romans 6 " We died to sin; how can we live in it any longer? "....I don't belive that a true Christian can fall away because they are reborn in the Spirit - thus being once saved always saved by the very definition of being a Christian ( many can talk the talk and act like they are Christians, but that doesn't make it so....but as time goes on, their spiritual death in sin will creep up on them and though they will appear to fall away, in fact they were never reborn to begin with and the truth of their death to sin becomes apparent ( one can't keep up a charade forever ).

Just my interpretation on it ( yes, I am somewhat of a Calvinist - but only because his doctrines are supported by scripture, not because I was taught to believe a certain way - don't lie Bob....you know that's not the truth :x: ).

Anyway, God bless and regardless what you believe, it won't change your destiny....we're all one in Christ and we all serve the same Lord - and in the end, that's all that matters.

In His service,

Bob

[Work in Progress]

What I have found to be true alot of the time is that OSAS gives people an attitude of laziness and apathy.

I don't think that can be blamed on OSAS. That is a common problem in the Body of Christ - complacency. We are saved, we get comfortable, and we get lazy about worrying for other people's souls.

[BroChuck]

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[Guest Called]

This will be my last reply in this thread, as I realize that it could go on forever and ever! There are verses to argue both sides. Bro. Chuck- thanks for the verses. It is comforting to know no one can take me from Jesus. I understand the point you are trying to get across. I used those versed for ten years as a staunch advocate of OSAS. We can agree to disagree, huh?

Bob- Yes, we are all children of God and I appreciate your views. I am not black and white on the issue of OSAS. There are many what ifs. There are scripture to back up both sides. in regards to your comment about "not being truly saved" I have seen people truly saved in my family and live for Jesus 100% for years and they allow the devil to gain a stronghold in their life and little by little they gave the enemy control until they turned their back on God. Thanks be to God that they repented and are now completely on fire for God! Anyway, I didn't want to preach.

I appreciate you Bob and Bro Chuck!

Debbie

[BobTriez]

I have seen people truly saved in my family and live for Jesus 100% for years and they allow the devil to gain a stronghold in their life and little by little they gave the enemy control until they turned their back on God.  Thanks be to God that they repented and are now completely on fire for God!

That's called "perseverance of the saints" my friend...meaning God will always bring back those who are His - and while it appeared to us as humans that they had fallen away, in God's master plan He brought them back to an eternal state of grace. Yes, I said back to an eternal state of grace, implying that I said that they may have indeed fallen away. However, God did not allow them to stay fallen but instead the Great Shepherd left the 99 to find the 1 and brought him/her back into the fold...so in the Eternal, out of time perspective, that person will die ( physically ) in a state of grace; and God would not have allowed it to happen any other way.

At any rate, this too will be my last post I've debated this issue many times and as you stated, it could go on forever...but in the end, we belong to Jesus and He will ensure that we are always found and secured. OSAS doesn't mean someone can't temporarily fall, it means in the end, God will not allow His saved to be lost forever - so in all effect, once you are saved, you are indeed always saved in the eternal sense of the term.

I too appreciate your zeal, but I simply disagree with you ( as you do me )....and Christians can agree to disagree on certain issues - the important thing is that we don't become divided over something, because Jesus Himself said "Every kingdom divided against itself will be ruined, and every city or household divided against itself will not stand" ( Matthew 12:25 ).

God bless,

Bob