Thinking of moving from NASBU to ESV Bible.

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Thy words were found, and I did eat them; and thy word was unto me the joy and rejoicing of mine heart: for I am called by thy name, O LORD God of hosts.

Jeremiah 15:16

And this is the record, that God hath given to us eternal life, and this life is in his Son.

He that hath the Son hath life; and he that hath not the Son of God hath not life.

These things have I written unto you that believe on the name of the Son of God; that ye may know that ye have eternal life, and that ye may believe on the name of the Son of God.

1 John 5:11-13

Was that a vote for the NASB or ESV.....or Hallmark

My Vote - No King But KING Jesus

(Does Hallmark Even Post Jesus?)

If You Don't Mind Dear Brother, I Will From Time To Time Post a Little Good New Onto Your Threads

And it shall come to pass, that whosoever shall call on the name of the Lord shall be saved. Acts 2:21

Worthy Is A 24/7/365/ World Wide Open Ministry And People From All The Nations Can And Do Cruse On In And Read Any Of These Pages

Preach the word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all longsuffering and doctrine.

For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears;

And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables. 2 Timothy 4:2-4

And The Only Bible Some Folk Can Read Is On Threads Such As Yours For You Are In A Mission Field And Folk Are Starving For The Bread Of Life

But he answered and said, It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God. Matthew 4:4

Oh!

Not To Worry!

The Holy Spirit Will Light Up The Word From Any Of The Translations You Have.

For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart. Hebrew 4:12

I Use The KJV - My "Heart" Bible And The Primer Used To Teach Me To Read (1948-53)

For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. John 3:16 King James Version (KJV)

The NASB "New Open Study Bible" - As My Carry-To-Church Bible And As My Share-With-My-Wife Bible And As My Study Bible.

For God so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him shall not perish, but have eternal life. John 3:16 New American Standard Bible (NASB)

Because The NASB Is Her First And Only Bible Translation And Because She Really Does Get Excited Because She Can Read The Word And Really Really Understand It First Hand And Because She Treasures It In Her Heart So, I Would Have No Other Translation For Carol Then Her NASB.

Carol Was Raised RC But Her Parish Priest Taught Her "Jesus Christ And Him Crucified", Period. And She Loves The LORD.

I Doubt That Priest Is Alive On Earth Today (110 - 120 Years Old?) But I Know His LORD So I Know Where He Is And I'm Sure Going To Look Him Up And Thank Him For His Faithfulness!

When We First Got Together Carol And I Went From Church To Church But Carol Was Appalled At The Pride She Saw Coming From The Pulpits.

When We Walked Out Of The Service She Would Ask Me If Protestants Were Ever Taught Pride Was A Sin Like Catholics Were.

I Told Her Yes But That I Think We Maybe A Bunch Of Very Slow Learners And Sometimes It Takes Us Our Whole Life Before We Get It.

Later On In Our Marriage We Attended A Calvary Chapel With Our Little Boy.

The Young Man Was A Teacher Rather Than A "Screamer" And Carol Fell Deeply In Love With God's Holy Word.

Now She Is On Her Second Or Third Taped Together Hardbound NASB.

The New KJV - Wow! Is That Ever A Neat Bible To Read! I Carry One Complete NKJV In The Van And A New Testament In My Shirt Pocket.

Whenever One Of Us End Up In The Hospital Or At A Doctor's Offices Or When We Just Go Out To Supper (2:00 AM Cause Carol's On Swing-Shift!), I Try To Remember To Carry The NKJV New Testament So We Can Share A Nibble Or Two As We Go Along.

For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life. John 3:16 New King James Version (NKJV)

The Amplified - I Love It! I Wore A New Testament Out That I Kept At Work And I Only Still Have It Because I Kept Taping It Back Together

For God so greatly loved and dearly prized the world that He [even] gave up His only begotten (unique) Son, so that whoever believes in (trusts in, clings to, relies on) Him shall not perish (come to destruction, be lost) but have eternal (everlasting) life. John 3:16 Amplified Bible (AMP)

Holman Christian Standard - Great! I Use An On-Line One

For God loved the world in this way: He gave His One and Only Son, so that everyone who believes in Him will not perish but have eternal life. John 3:16 Holman Christian Standard Bible (HCSB)

Young's Literal - So Cool! Again I Use An On-line One

for God did so love the world, that His Son -- the only begotten -- He gave, that every one who is believing in him may not perish, but may have life age-during. John 3:16 Young's Literal Translation (YLT)

I Use To Have A Paraphrased Version But I Think Carol Packed It Away Somewhere Or I Gave It Away Or Something.

I Had More Fun With That Bible Because I Would Carry It Along With Two Other Translations (All Large Print BIG Books) And Compare Them As The Preaching Went On.

And Many Times The Paraphrased Version Was Almost Word For Word What Was Coming From The Pulpit As Explanations Of The Text (Raised Baptist Don't You Know).

English Standard Version - Never Owned One But It Sure Does Look Delicious! A Real Spiritual Treat!

For God so loved the world, that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life. John 3:16 English Standard Version (ESV)

Anyways, Welcome Again To Worthy Ministries

And Do Enjoy All Those Gorgeous Wonderful Bibles

For The Spiritual Kid They Are The Treat That Can't Be Bet

For Sure!

Be Blessed Beloved Of The KING

The LORD bless thee, and keep thee:

The LORD make his face shine upon thee, and be gracious unto thee:

The LORD lift up his countenance upon thee, and give thee peace.

And they shall put my name upon the children of Israel; and I will bless them. Numbers 6:24-27

Love. Your Brother Joe

Thy word is true from the beginning: and every one of thy righteous judgments endureth for ever. Psalms 119:160

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ESV

1 John 5

7For there are three that testify:

NASB

1 John 5

7For there are three that testify:

KJV

1 John 5

7For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.

NKJV

1 John 5

7 For there are three that bear witness in heaven: the Father, the Word, and the Holy Spirit; and these three are one.

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The bible below is used by the Jehovah Witness.

New World Translation of the Holy Scriptures

1 John 5

7 For there are three witness bearers,

Anyone see anything missing?

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ESV

1 John 5

7For there are three that testify:

NASB

1 John 5

7For there are three that testify:

KJV

1 John 5

7For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.

NKJV

1 John 5

7 For there are three that bear witness in heaven: the Father, the Word, and the Holy Spirit; and these three are one.

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The bible below is used by the Jehovah Witness.

New World Translation of the Holy Scriptures

1 John 5

7 For there are three witness bearers,

Anyone see anything missing?

[tah]

Out of curiosity, and because I am a bit lazy ..

Why is this "grayed out" in my text...

KJV

7 For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.

The verses before and after are not???

1Jn 5:6 This is he that came by water and blood, even Jesus Christ; not by water only, but by water and blood. And it is the Spirit that beareth witness, because the Spirit is truth.

1Jn 5:7 For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.

1Jn 5:8 And there are three that bear witness in earth, the Spirit, and the water, and the blood: and these three agree in

ESV

1Jn 5:6 This is he who came by water and blood--Jesus Christ; not by the water only but by the water and the blood. And the Spirit is the one who testifies, because the Spirit is the truth.

1Jn 5:7 For there are three that testify:

1Jn 5:8 the Spirit and the water and the blood; and these three agree.

[other one]

Out of curiosity, and because I am a bit lazy ..

Why is this "grayed out" in my text...

KJV

7 For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.

The verses before and after are not???

1Jn 5:6 This is he that came by water and blood, even Jesus Christ; not by water only, but by water and blood. And it is the Spirit that beareth witness, because the Spirit is truth.

1Jn 5:7 For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.

1Jn 5:8 And there are three that bear witness in earth, the Spirit, and the water, and the blood: and these three agree in

ESV

1Jn 5:6 This is he who came by water and blood--Jesus Christ; not by the water only but by the water and the blood. And the Spirit is the one who testifies, because the Spirit is the truth.

1Jn 5:7 For there are three that testify:

1Jn 5:8 the Spirit and the water and the blood; and these three agree.

I'm a bit lazy too. This is a rather controversial passage.

1 John 5:7

For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.

[For there are three that bear record in heaven ...] There are three that "witness," or that "bear witness" - the same Greek word which, in 1 John 5:8, is rendered "bear witness" - marturountes. There is no passage of the New Testament which has given rise to so much discussion in regard to its genuineness as this. The supposed importance of the verse in its bearing on the doctrine of the Trinity has contributed to this, and has given to the discussion a degree of consequence which has pertained to the examination of the genuineness of no other passage of the New Testament. On the one hand, the clear testimony which it seems to bear to the doctrine of the Trinity, has made that portion of the Christian church which holds the doctrine reluctant in the highest degree to abandon it; and on the other hand, the same clearness of the testimony to that doctrine, has made those who deny it not less reluctant to admit the genuineness of the passage.

It is not consistent with the design of these notes to go into a full investigation of a question of this sort. And all that can be done is to state, in a brief way, the "results" which have been reached, in an examination of the question. Those who are disposed to pursue the investigation further, can find all that is to be said in the works referred to at the bottom of the page.

(NOTE: Mill. New Test., pp. 379-386; Wetstein, II. 721-727; Simon, Critical History of the New Testament; Michaelis, Introduction to the New Testament, 4:412 ff; Semler, Histor. und Krit. Sammlungen uber die sogenannten Beweistellen der Dogmatik. Erstes Stuck uber, 1 John 5:7; Griesbach, Diatribe in locum, 1 John 5:7-8, second edit., New Test., vol. II., appendix 1; and Lucke's Commentary "in loc.")

The portion of the passage, in 1 John 5:7-8, whose genuineness is disputed, is included in brackets in the following quotation, as it stands in the common editions of the New Testament: "For there are three that bear record (in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Spirit: and these three are one. And there are three that bear witness on earth,) the Spirit, and the water, and the blood; and these three agree in one." If the disputed passage, therefore, be omitted as spurious, the whole passage will read, "For there are three that bear record, the Spirit, and the water, and the blood; and these three agree in one." The reasons which seem to me to prove that the passage included in brackets is spurious, and should not be regarded as a part of the inspired writings, are briefly the following:

I. It is missing in all the earlier Greek manuscripts, for it is found in NO Greek manuscript written before the 16 th century. Indeed, it is found in only two Greek manuscripts of any age-one the Codex Montfortianus, or Britannicus, written in the beginning of the sixteenth century, and the other the Codex Ravianus, which is a mere transcript of the text, taken partly from the third edition of Stephen's New Testament, and partly from the Complutensian Polyglott. But it is incredible that a genuine passage of the New Testament should be missing in ALL the early Greek manuscripts.

II. It is missing in the earliest versions, and, indeed, in a large part of the versions of the New Testament which have been made in all former times. It is wanting in both the Syriac versions-one of which was made probably in the first century; in the Coptic, Armenian, Slavonic, Ethiopic, and Arabic.

III. It is never quoted by the Greek fathers in their controversies on the doctrine of the Trinity-a passage which would be so much in point, and which could not have failed to be quoted if it were genuine; and it is not referred to by the Latin fathers until the time of Vigilius, at the end of the 5 th century. If the passage were believed to be genuine-nay, if it were known at all to be in existence, and to have any probability in its favor-it is incredible that in all the controversies which occurred in regard to the divine nature, and in all the efforts to define the doctrine of the Trinity, this passage should never have been referred to. But it never was; for it must be plain to anyone who examines the subject with an unbiassed mind, that the passages which are relied on to prove that it was quoted by Athanasius, Cyprian, Augustin, etc., (Wetstein, II., p. 725) are not taken from this place, and are not such as they would have made if they had been acquainted with this passage, and had designed to quote it. IV. The argument against the passage from the external proof is confirmed by internal evidence, which makes it morally certain that it cannot be genuine.

(a) The connection does not demand it. It does not contribute to advance what the apostle is saying, but breaks the thread of his argument entirely. He is speaking of certain things which bear "witness" to the fact that Jesus is the Messiah; certain things which were well known to those to whom he was writing-the Spirit, and the water, and the blood. How does it contribute to strengthen the force of this to say that in heaven there are "three that bear witness" - three not before referred to, and having no connection with the matter under consideration?

(b) The "language" is not such as John would use. He does, indeed, elsewhere use the term "Logos," or "Word" - ho Logos, (John 1:1,14; 1 John 1:1), but it is never in this form, "The Father, and the Word;" that is, the terms "Father" and "Word" are never used by him, or by any of the other sacred writers, as correlative. The word "Son" - ho Huios - is the term which is correlative to the "Father" in every other place as used by John, as well as by the other sacred writers. See 1 John 1:3; 2:22-24; 4:14; 2 John 3,9; and the Gospel of John, "passim." Besides, the correlative of the term "Logos," or "Word," with John, is not "Father," but "God." See John 1:1. Compare Rev 19:13.

© Without this passage, the sense of the argument is clear and appropriate. There are three, says John, which bear witness that Jesus is the Messiah. These are referred to in 1 John 5:6; and in immediate connection with this, in the argument, (1 John 5:8), it is affirmed that their testimony goes to one point, and is harmonious. To say that there are OTHER witnesses elsewhere, to say that they are one, contributes nothing to illustrate the nature of the testimony of these three-the water, and the blood, and the Spirit; and the internal sense of the passage, therefore, furnishes as little evidence of its genuineness as the external proof. V. It is easy to imagine how the passage found a place in the New Testament. It was at first written, perhaps, in the margin of some Latin manuscript, as expressing the belief of the writer of what was true in heaven, as well as on earth, and with no more intention to deceive than we have when we make a marginal note in a book. Some transcriber copied it into the body of the text, perhaps with a sincere belief that it was a genuine passage, omitted by accident; and then it became too important a passage in the argument for the Trinity, ever to be displaced but by the most clear critical evidence. It was rendered into Greek, and inserted in one Greek manuscript of the 16 th century, while it was missing in all the earlier manuscripts.

VI. The passage is now omitted in the best editions of the Greek Testament, and regarded as spurious by the ablest critics. See Griesbach and Hahn. On the whole, therefore, the evidence seems to me to be clear that this passage is not a genuine portion of the inspired writings, and should not be appealed to in proof of the doctrine of the Trinity. One or two remarks may be made, in addition, in regard to its use.

(1) Even on the supposition that it IS genuine, as Bengel believed it was, and as he believed that some Greek manuscript WOULD still be found which would contain it,

(NOTE: Et tamen etiam atque etiam sperare licet, si non autographum Joanneum, at alios vetustissimos codices Graecos, qui hanc periocham habeant, in occultis providentiae divinae forulis adhuc latentes suo tempore productum iri)

yet it is not wise to adduce it as a proof-text. It would be much easier to prove the doctrine of the Trinity from other texts, than to demonstrate the genuineness of this.

(2) It is not NECESSARY as a proof-text. The doctrine which it contains can be abundantly established from other parts of the New Testament, by passages about which there can be no doubt.

(3) The removal of this text does nothing to weaken the evidence for the doctrine of the Trinity, or to modify that doctrine. As it was never used to shape the early belief of the Christian world on the subject, so its rejection, and its removal from the New Testament, will do nothing to modify that doctrine. The doctrine was embraced, and held, and successfully defended without it, and it can and will be so still.

(from Barnes' Notes, Electronic Database Copyright