War on terror

[David of Derby]

As well as it's working for anyone. How's bombing every Arab nation on God's clean earth, enraging the entire planet and engendering hate wherever you go working out for you in the good ole US of A?

[sweetycakes]

We have to show that we, as westerners, regardless of being Christian, aren't afraid of them and that we don't hate Islam

As Christians, we have to show Islam that we're not a threat

I would hope that Christians are a threat to Islam. Not a physical threat to muslims themselves, but a real, serious threat to their evil.......... yes, evil........ ideology

[irishcowboy]

Christ taught a hard lesson, He did not teach a politically correct lesson, He taught a very hard lesson.

when Christ taught the hard lessons, his followers left, and then he turns to the 12 and says What about you guys? you going to leave too?

they said where would we go? what would we do?

Christ did not chase after them, He did not change his teachings, infact they got harder. turn away from your sins, pick up your cross, follow me.........

we are not suppose to offend anyone..... i am sorry, the Word of God is very offensive... very convicting.... right from wrong, if you do wrong, you will be offended..... it always has been and it will always be.... if you sin you die..... if you repent and receive the gift of forgivness, you live...... you do things your way, you will die, you do things Gods way, you will live......

Israel, the chosen people (still the chosen people, no matter what others might say or think and that is offensive, not only to the muslims, hindus but also to the J.W...... ) and God punished them for doing wrong, just as a father would punish his kids for doing wrong..... God still provides for them.... still loves them..... still yurns for their obedience and love in return.....

God was never politically correct.... Christ never was politically correct, and the Holy Spirit will never fit in to the politically correct forms we ever set up for Him.....

we were made in Their Image, ("Let Us make man in our image") which means we are not to go along with the politically correct ways, but in the ways of the Lord, no matter what the people of the lands say......

Christ maintained his position, never relenting to anyone. we must be as Christ, and maintain and improve our relationship with the Lord God Almighty.... never relenting..... never folding......

the 12 all met with violent deaths, with only one dying of old age, the rest were martyred, filleted, run thru with a spear, shot with arrows, pulled apart, hung on an upside down cross, hung on an X shaped cross, cut into pieces....... this is what they received for NOT BEING POLITICALLY CORRECT...... teach Christ Crucified, buried, Resurrected

mike

[Rick-Parker]

We can't defeat their idealogy with weapons and troops. We can only beat it with our own. We have to show that we, as westerners, regardless of being Christian, aren't afraid of them and that we don't hate Islam - only those who use terror and violence to achieve their ends. As Christians, we have to show Islam that we're not a threat, we're not here to wipe them off the planet, and that we love them as we love ourselves. Just like our Lord commanded us to do.

I think you have the rolls reversed. They need to be showing us because they are the ones who attacked us. They have proven that they are here to wipe us off the planet. By the way, when westerners make statements like this, the islamo-fascists are rolling around on their prayer rugs laughing. There is nothing we can do to stop them from their attempts at world domination short of killing them all.

[Smalcald]

The term "War on terror" IS the PC version of War on radical Islam. There is no kinder way to say it. Perhaps Anti-jihadist movement? Islam is at the very heart of terrorism regardless of how it affects the rest of them. If they don't want the label then they need to take up the battle themselves rather than blame others for generalizing or profiling. If they also find that they have a problem with violence in the name of Allah then let them take action instead of whining about it. It's no different than parents blaming the baby sitter because their children are spoiled and undisciplined.

Totally agree.

I have never liked the term "war on terror" it was frankly a stupid meaningless term. What is terror how do you fight a war against a word? It is like the war against violence or the war against murder, how about the war against badness? You fight a war against a group of people or a country.

The fact is we are fighting against organized international radical Islamic militants who often but now always use what is referred to as terrorism. We are not fighting against all groups who use terrorism. We are not fighting against the IRA or the Basque separatists or the hundreds if not thousands of random groups who use terror fighting for many different things around the globe. I don't even think we are fighting against Islamic radicals who are not international in scope. For example China has a terrorist group of Islamic radicals they are worried about, are we fighting this war against them? I don't think so.

Being a cynic and basically mistrustful of most governments I think the "war on terror" term was intentionally vague and not measurable, which means the war is never ending and the government simply grows and grows in size and power because we are fighting an enemy that is indefinable and unbeatable. Once the pork starts to flow it is almost impossible to turn of the spigot regardless of which Party is in control of the White House.

Unbeatable? Well, let's all go down to the local mosque to worship, send our kids to madrassahs and make our women wear burkas.

No no you missed my point.

You see the "war on terror" is a war on a means that has always been used by different groups from the Barbarians who sacked Rome to the Viet Cong and so forth. They did not want to say well this is a war against these five or six major Islamic terrorists groups who threaten us, because then success could be measured. You can't win against a means of war. We can indeed defeat specific radical international Islamic terrorist groups. We have had good success in degrading the ability of al quida; we have had success in this although it is not easy. But that is not what the "war on terror" means it means a continual unending undefined war against an unknown enemy; the enemy is whoever the government decides this week the enemy is. Which of course means huge defense budgets and huge increases in the power of government and it probably means a curtailment of our religious liberties; this is the danger of an ill defined "war on terror".

We need to get specific about exactly who we are fighting. If not than indeed it is not winnable, in fact it was PLANNED not to end in that case. There are vested interests who gain greatly from an unending low level war without a defined enemy.

[David of Derby]

Every time we take up arms and fight against these people, they get stronger. We kicked over their little sandcastle in Afghanistan and what did it get us? They hate us even more. We tipped Saddam out of Iraq, and instead of harming Al-Qa'ida's cause, we strengthened it. Iraq went from a largely-secular country to a land torn apart by civil war at the hands of Islamic extrements - extremists that had no power in Saddam's Iraq.

Theirs is an idealogy of hate, and the more violence you use, the more Moslems you kill, the more they hate us. Not just you lot who are doing most of the fighting, but all of us in the west. The only real counter to their idealogy is for every right-thinking person, regardless of faith, to turn to them and tell them they're not wanted. Their brand of hatred does not represent Islam, it represents only lust for power and dominance, clothed in the trappings of Islam. When the real Moslems cast them out, then we can round them up and throw them into a camp somewhere to rot, but until every Moslem decides, for themselves, that Islamo-fascism isn't the way they want their faith thought of, all the military action, all the overblown patriotism and all the angry online posts won't change a thing.

[Smalcald]

Well I don't know about that David.

From what we can tell we have been succeeding. The popularity of these groups is not growing, for example in Iraq the people are just sick of these thugs and are turning to their own militias to throw them out. I do think we need to target them more specifically though which is why I am so much against framing this whole thing as some sort of war against terror. Afghanistan is out of control because we have not been paying attention there. They don't like these thugs either however, we left the war lords in charge and the people like the Taliban better than the warlords, and I don't blame them for that. Also you have the whole drug issue there, which is ironic as we in the west are funding their drug crop through our own addictions.

I do agree that we need to insist that Muslims follow the Rule of Law and have respect for liberty and democracy when they wish to live among us. I would also put a halt to the Saudi funded Muslim evangelization program which exists in the US and the UK, unless of course they are willing to have a quid pro-quo and accept our Churches and direct missionaries in their country. We need to push for Islamic regimes to not have a death penalty for converting to Christianity. It is astounding to me that we have such kid gloves with the Saudi's when they are killing Christians in their own country and spending millions to convert Muslims in ours!

But the fact is at least in the Middle East, power IS respected. But you can

[David of Derby]

If we outlaw Moslem missionaries we become everything we're fighting against. The UK stands for freedom - of religious expression and belief, among other freedoms. When you take that away, we become just like the Islamic extremists. They don't want people to be free to express their beliefs, they want everyone to be forced to believe what they do.

Our favourite philosopher, Nietzche (spelling optional) once said, "He that fights with monsters should look to it that he himself does not become a monster. When you gaze long into the abyss, the abyss also gazes into you."

[O'Dannyboy]

How's bombing every Arab nation on God's clean earth, enraging the entire planet and engendering hate wherever you go working out for you in the good ole US of A?

No matter how much you exagerate it would not make this statement true. Have we forgotten WWII so quickly? Was the U.S. engendering hate when they sent troops to engage Hitlers forces? Were we engendering hate when we went to the defense of Kuwait or South Korea? Are we engendering hate when we engange the enemies of Afghanistan with their govenments blessing and permission? There's a saying that goes " some of the worst things happen with the best of intentions". Iraq is one of those things. I may not like how we got there but I do not question WHY we are there. You may not agree but I challenge you to prove that the U.S. "invaded" Iraq because they were an Arab nation and not because their dicatator "claimed" to have weapons of mass destruction.

Look to thine own eye brother.

[David of Derby]

No matter how much you exagerate it would not make this statement true. Have we forgotten WWII so quickly? Was the U.S. engendering hate when they sent troops to engage Hitlers forces? Were we engendering hate when we went to the defense of Kuwait or South Korea? Are we engendering hate when we engange the enemies of Afghanistan with their govenments blessing and permission? There's a saying that goes " some of the worst things happen with the best of intentions". Iraq is one of those things. I may not like how we got there but I do not question WHY we are there. You may not agree but I challenge you to prove that the U.S. "invaded" Iraq because they were an Arab nation and not because their dicatator "claimed" to have weapons of mass destruction.

Look to thine own eye brother.

Pardon my angry response to the previous poster's flippant remark. I'm no saint, I fear.