THE SEVEN DAY WEEK

[P_Joseph]

Do we get saved by keeping the sabbath Joe? Ahhh, what an interesting question.

If we willfully disobey God laws - such as committing adultery, lying, stealing, blaspehmy etc and don't repent and turn from that sin - will we inherit salvation?

The bible says no.

Why then, is keeping the sabbath thrown out as unnecessary (by the church today at large) when the other nine commandments we still consider essential for obeying God? (To inherit salvation.)

I would love to hear your answer.

The Holy Spirit has not convicted me of not keeping the Sabbath or keeping other Jewish traditions . The Holy Spirit Has convicted me of other sins and I repent and pray for forgiveness which in His Holy grace He gives me. Such a wonderful Savior we have.

Keeping the Ten Commandments will not save you only faith through Grace will save you. I have to run but will answer in more detail tonight.

1 John 1:8-10 (King James Version)

8If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.

9If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.

10If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us.

Your friend in Christ joe John3:30

Edited July 8, 2008 by P_Joseph

[BlindSeeker]

Why then, is keeping the sabbath thrown out as unnecessary (by the church today at large) when the other nine commandments we still consider essential for obeying God? (To inherit salvation.)

Actually, a large portion of the "church

[EricH]

My personal feeling about the Sabbath and salvation is similar to baptism . . . you won't go to heaven because you get baptized, but you may go to hell for refusing to . . .

But if a man isn't fully persuaded of something because he has been hindered by false teachers, then I believe the degree of accountability is reduced . . . but not eliminated.

I know I loved the Lord for years as a Sunday-go-to-meeting-believer before I became a Sabbatarian . . . and I believe I was as saved then as I am now.

Actually ones views on the sabbath have nothing to do with their salvation.

[BlindSeeker]

My personal feeling about the Sabbath and salvation is similar to baptism . . . you won't go to heaven because you get baptized, but you may go to hell for refusing to . . .

But if a man isn't fully persuaded of something because he has been hindered by false teachers, then I believe the degree of accountability is reduced . . . but not eliminated.

I know I loved the Lord for years as a Sunday-go-to-meeting-believer before I became a Sabbatarian . . . and I believe I was as saved then as I am now.

Actually ones views on the sabbath have nothing to do with their salvation.

I guess that might depend on what one's view is . . .

Certainly your opinion was contrary to God's in the OT . . . do you think He's changed?

[yesult]

The Holy Spirit has not convicted me of not keeping the Sabbath or keeping other Jewish traditions .

The sabbath was no more a 'jewish tradition' then the other commandments such as 'do not murder.'

The Holy Spirit Has convicted me of other sins and I repent and pray for forgiveness which in His Holy grace He gives me. Such a wonderful Savior we have.

The holy spirit has the same nature as God the father and God the son - and it was through his inspiration that the scriptures were written. All the scriptures. Not just the new testament.

Keeping the Ten Commandments will not save you only faith through Grace will save you.

But disobeying the ten commandments won't save you either. Are unrepentent muderers saved regardless? The new testament makes it very clear that we still have to obey God to be saved. In fact when jesus himself was asked what was required to inherit eternal life - he answered, keep the commandments (and added a couple more)

I have to run but will answer in more detail tonight.

Looking forward to your answers.

1 John 1:8-10 (King James Version)

8If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.

9If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.

10If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us.

How can we sin if we don't have to obey any laws? To sin is to transgress something.

Edited July 14, 2008 by yesult

[Guest]

How can we sin if we don't have to obey any laws? To sin is to transgress something.

Sin

For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;

Romans 3:23

Hate To The Core

But he that sinneth against me wrongeth his own soul: all they that hate me love death

Proverbs 8:36

Grace

But if ye be led of the Spirit, ye are not under the law.

Galatians 5:18

Cleave

And they that are Christ's have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts. If we live in the Spirit, let us also walk in the Spirit.

Galatians 5:24-25

To The LORD

But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:

John 1:12

And Adore The Father

And because ye are sons, God hath sent forth the Spirit of his Son into your hearts, crying, Abba, Father.

Galatians 4:6

It's A Trust Matter

Jesus answered them, I told you, and ye believed not: the works that I do in my Father's name, they bear witness of me.

But ye believe not, because ye are not of my sheep, as I said unto you.

My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me:

And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand.

My Father, which gave them me, is greater than all; and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father's hand.

I and my Father are one.

John 10:25-30

And Family

Neither pray I for these alone, but for them also which shall believe on me through their word; That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me.

John 17:20-21

Worship

[BlindSeeker]

. . . Silly me.

Maybe, at your very best . . . perhaps . . .

[P_Joseph]

The Holy Spirit has not convicted me of not keeping the Sabbath or keeping other Jewish traditions .

The sabbath was no more a 'jewish tradition' then the other commandments such as 'do not murder.'

The Holy Spirit Has convicted me of other sins and I repent and pray for forgiveness which in His Holy grace He gives me. Such a wonderful Savior we have.

The holy spirit has the same nature as God the father and God the son - and it was through his inspiration that the scriptures were written. All the scriptures. Not just the new testament.

Keeping the Ten Commandments will not save you only faith through Grace will save you.

But disobeying the ten commandments won't save you either. Are unrepentent muderers saved regardless? The new testament makes it very clear that we still have to obey God to be saved. In fact when jesus himself was asked what was required to inherit eternal life - he answered, keep the commandments (and added a couple more)

I have to run but will answer in more detail tonight.

Looking forward to your answers.

1 John 1:8-10 (King James Version)

8If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.

9If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.

10If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us.

How can we sin if we don't have to obey any laws? To sin is to transgress something.

Are unrepentent murders saved? NO they are unrepentent.

Salvation is a belief in Jesus Christ NOT WORKS.

John 3:17-19 (New International Version)

New International Version (NIV)

Copyright

[Guest shiloh357]

Do we get saved by keeping the sabbath Joe? Ahhh, what an interesting question.

If we willfully disobey God laws - such as committing adultery, lying, stealing, blaspehmy etc and don't repent and turn from that sin - will we inherit salvation?

The bible says no.

Why then, is keeping the sabbath thrown out as unnecessary (by the church today at large) when the other nine commandments we still consider essential for obeying God? (To inherit salvation.)

I would love to hear your answer.

The question is based on a false premise. Salvation is not dependant on conformity to any set of laws. Even in OT, the law was given to a redeemed community. God did save the Israelites from Egypt ( a type of sin) on the basis of keeping His commandments. He saved them and then gave them His commandments. God's laws are for the redeemed community. His laws are not the means of pocuring redemption.

[kat8585]

Do we get saved by keeping the sabbath Joe? Ahhh, what an interesting question.

If we willfully disobey God laws - such as committing adultery, lying, stealing, blaspehmy etc and don't repent and turn from that sin - will we inherit salvation?

The bible says no.

Why then, is keeping the sabbath thrown out as unnecessary (by the church today at large) when the other nine commandments we still consider essential for obeying God? (To inherit salvation.)

I would love to hear your answer.

The question is based on a false premise. Salvation is not dependant on conformity to any set of laws. Even in OT, the law was given to a redeemed community. God did save the Israelites from Egypt ( a type of sin) on the basis of keeping His commandments. He saved them and then gave them His commandments. God's laws are for the redeemed community. His laws are not the means of pocuring redemption.

God's law is for everyone. How else can a sinner realize his need of God, if he does not realize he is a sinner? There has to be a law to break in order to be a sinner. The Bible even says this.

In fact, how would we know if we sinned after we were saved?