Suicide

[nebula]

I am so sorry for your struggle with suicide, and I am so sorry I have disturbed you. However, I am by no means trying to blame God. That was NEVER my intention. I will pray about this and will respond when I know how to better explain myself.

Hey

I'm not saying you were.

Like I mentioned, it is very subtle. And from the perspective of an outsider discussing the issue, it is no big deal. However, for anyone struggling with suicide who reads this can very easily slip into this line of thinking that I mentioned.

That's why my alarm sounded.

Make sense?

[redwing]

Matthew 5:21 (21st Century King James Version)

21st Century King James Version (KJ21)

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[Guest lovinghim4ever]

It seems I have disturbed a couple of people in regards to my beliefs concerning suicide. I am so sorry. That was never my intent. I will attempt to clarify, but please know I say these things with all due respect to everyone and with no offense intended toward anyone. You see, I too have struggled with thoughts of suicide, so I am not unsympathetic to those who have the same struggle.

Thank you to those who truly understand that my mindset and perspective has NEVER been that someone "can get away with killing themselves because 'God didn't heal me, and so He'll be OK with me eating Satan's fruit.'" I was NEVER trying to blame God for anything, nor was I trying to imply that it is okay to ever choose sin for any reason.

Yes, there are a number of reasons a person commits suicide, but I believe that each reason can be traced back to some sort of emotional illness.

Nebula said, "Suicide ends with a choice." I believe that. I believe Satan is responsible for the emotional torment that leads to such a disturbing choice, but I also believe the only person responsible for the choice is the person who actually made the choice. As I said already, I am not unsympathetic to those who have struggled with thoughts of suicide. I myself have had this struggle from time to time. However, no matter how high the pressures of life may be stacked upon us or how difficult our struggles may be suicide is never a solution. It is always a choice. Therefore, if we choose to give up and be crushed by brokenness enough to do something as drastic as suicide, then we can blame no one but ourselves.

Why does God heal some and not others? Well, I believe Jehovah Nissi offered a great answer to that. "He already did it over 2000 years ago. God is waiting on us to receive it!" Yes, I agree, but I still don't believe God will send anyone to hell if they don't receive healing; no matter what the illness. Because, there are some people who just don't know how to receive. They love God and have faith in Him, but they just don't know how to receive His healing. That doesn't make them any more or any less a believer than anyone else. It just makes them human. There are some people who do know how to receive healing, but their healing is still not manifested here on earth. Why? Only God knows!

Blindseeker said, "Some just want their death to hurt and be a guilt trip for others . . . even to God." Yes, I believe this as well. Yet, that motive in itself is still a choice made under mental anguish of revenge and selfishness.

I believe suicide is NOT an unforgiveable sin.

I agree with Mommyoftwo84, "The bottom line is that only God knows the heart of each person."

I hope my two cents makes sense!

[traveller]

Ok - the OP made a wonderful last post. Now - this subject is such a hurtful, passionate topic that I'm going to close it temporarily. I want everyone to take a bit of time away from it just to get a breath of fresh air and a bit of healing time. I'll re-open it tomorrow.

Please everyone remember that 1Cr 2:9 But as it is written, Eye hath not seen, nor ear heard, neither have entered into the heart of man, the things which God hath prepared for them that love him.

and we cannot know, truly know, the heart of anyone. But God can and does. Rest in that.

[traveller]

I apologize, people. I said I'd open this thread back up yesterday, and I totally forgot about.

Anyway - here it is. Please keep it between the barditches. Post away.

[jehovah Nissi]

It seems I have disturbed a couple of people in regards to my beliefs concerning suicide. I am so sorry. That was never my intent. I will attempt to clarify, but please know I say these things with all due respect to everyone and with no offense intended toward anyone. You see, I too have struggled with thoughts of suicide, so I am not unsympathetic to those who have the same struggle.

Thank you to those who truly understand that my mindset and perspective has NEVER been that someone "can get away with killing themselves because 'God didn't heal me, and so He'll be OK with me eating Satan's fruit.'" I was NEVER trying to blame God for anything, nor was I trying to imply that it is okay to ever choose sin for any reason.

Yes, there are a number of reasons a person commits suicide, but I believe that each reason can be traced back to some sort of emotional illness.

Nebula said, "Suicide ends with a choice." I believe that. I believe Satan is responsible for the emotional torment that leads to such a disturbing choice, but I also believe the only person responsible for the choice is the person who actually made the choice. As I said already, I am not unsympathetic to those who have struggled with thoughts of suicide. I myself have had this struggle from time to time. However, no matter how high the pressures of life may be stacked upon us or how difficult our struggles may be suicide is never a solution. It is always a choice. Therefore, if we choose to give up and be crushed by brokenness enough to do something as drastic as suicide, then we can blame no one but ourselves.

Why does God heal some and not others? Well, I believe Jehovah Nissi offered a great answer to that. "He already did it over 2000 years ago. God is waiting on us to receive it!" Yes, I agree, but I still don't believe God will send anyone to hell if they don't receive healing; no matter what the illness. Because, there are some people who just don't know how to receive. They love God and have faith in Him, but they just don't know how to receive His healing. That doesn't make them any more or any less a believer than anyone else. It just makes them human. There are some people who do know how to receive healing, but their healing is still not manifested here on earth. Why? Only God knows!

Blindseeker said, "Some just want their death to hurt and be a guilt trip for others . . . even to God." Yes, I believe this as well. Yet, that motive in itself is still a choice made under mental anguish of revenge and selfishness.

I believe suicide is NOT an unforgiveable sin.

I agree with Mommyoftwo84, "The bottom line is that only God knows the heart of each person."

I hope my two cents makes sense!

Right on Sister. You are right. There are some things that we are not going to understand fully here on this earth. Some things are just on a need to know basis and if we don't need to know, then instead of asking why...ask now what? blessings to you sister.

J

[Guest lovinghim4ever]

Right on Sister. You are right. There are some things that we are not going to understand fully here on this earth. Some things are just on a need to know basis and if we don't need to know, then instead of asking why...ask now what? blessings to you sister.

J

Blessings to you as well.

Okay, now what?

[Jahisgr8]

I think you are brave to start a topic like this. I am nobody's judge. I only felt moved to comment this:

Samson committed suicide. He was like a suicide bomber, so to speak, taking thousands of Philistines with him into death.

Yet God's word mentions him in the "Hall of Faith" in Hebrews 11.

So, we are not the judges. God will do what He knows is best. All we can do is pray for people who struggle with this issue and try to help as much as we can.

Perfect Love.

[Guest lovinghim4ever]

I think you are brave to start a topic like this. I am nobody's judge. I only felt moved to comment this:

Samson committed suicide. He was like a suicide bomber, so to speak, taking thousands of Philistines with him into death.

Yet God's word mentions him in the "Hall of Faith" in Hebrews 11.

So, we are not the judges. God will do what He knows is best. All we can do is pray for people who struggle with this issue and try to help as much as we can.

Perfect Love.

Wow! Thanks for posting this.

I didn't remember this scripture until you mentioned it here.

You are a great help.

Thanks again.

[Guest]

Whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed Romans 10:11