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[Guest shiloh357]

Which translation are you using with nearly, if it is the New King James Version, there is an addition, which is not in the Greek Byzantine Text. If you are using something other then The Byzantine Text, the minority texts, then you will be lead astray, many of the current translations use the minority texts. Christ said Mark 13:31 Heaven, and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away.

Now if you believe in the minority text, you are believing in texts that were discovered 1800, or later, that means they were lost quite along time. If texts were lost, then they have not been around all the time, and so therefore, they do not meet up to MeSHiaCH(Christ's) standard, of being around all the time.

The six Byzantine texts used to make the KJV, are the scriptures which have been around all the time, why do I know that, because God promised through His Son, His Word would last forever, so we must receive the texts used to make the KJV, the english is not perfect in the KJV, but the Greek is perfect.

Why can I conclude this way, because the texts must be around all the time in succession, in order to keep the teaching Jesus taught, Mark 13:31...but my words shall not pass away.

Not means never will they be lost then found again, because they will always be around.

1 Tim 2:9-15, and 1 Peter 3:1-6 must be obeyed. If they are not obeyed then the person not obeying these scriptures are going against God.

AllforJesus,

You did not address Nebula's point. Arguing about which text someone is reading is just an evasive maneuver to avoid addressing a well stated point like the one Nebula made.

[Guest olivetree]

JESUS CHRIST is the WORD of GOD so HIS words will never pass away.

The New Testament did not even exist when JESUS was doing HIS 33 year ministry on earth.

When He went into the temple HE opened the Book to ISAIAH.

Paul,Peter,and the other apostles preached CHRIST from the Old Testament which included the Torah,the prophets,and the Psalms.

The Bible is Translated into English for our benefit and even scholars admitt that some of the Hebrew and Greek word meanings are diluted by the English language.This does not change the fact of Who JESUS is and and the English Bible gives us the reedemptive story of JESUS and HIS grace,mercy,and love for us.

Man is the one who chooses to make verses in the Bible fit his beliefs instead of conforming to the WORD of GOD[JESUS]

There is way too much legalism in the modern church and there was the same problem 2000 years ago.[Read Paul's letter called Galatians]

The LORD Himself told Samuel when choosing a king for Israel that HE looks at the heart of a man and not his outward appearance.

JESUS has set me free from the curse of the Law! Praise the LORD GOD!

[Guest yod]

Weren't fig leaves a symbol of sin? Isn't that the first recorded "clothes"?

I think this means that clothes are symbol of sin and we should not wear them.

I can't believe that I went through a phase just like this.

[nebula]

Which translation are you using with nearly,

OK - what does your translation say?

Explain to me the validation for the bonds of legalism being proposed by you.

And how does your Bible describe the Bride of Christ? In rags?

[mobile21]

the cross in christianity is not used as an esoterical symbol valid by itself, it's used as a reminder of the life-long sacrifice we have to do as Christ's followers:

Matt 10:38 And he that taketh not up his cross, and followeth me, is not worthy of me.

I've heard the cross was first used by Constantine as a means of obtaining victory over his enemies in bloody warfare.

Have you heard differently?

Yes, I have.

That symbol was not the Cross, it was the Labarum which represents the name of Jesus Christ with the greek letters X and P.

[AllforJesustheLord]

I will address what is said better then I did.

I can see why you would think that "women wearing jewelry is evil" from this, as a lot of people have. If you notice the part I bolded, the instruction is not to do away with outer beauty, but not to rely on external beauty, or rather, not let external beauty be the main focus but the inner beauty.

Even the instruction in Timothy is about focus. It is too tempting for women to rely on physical attraction to be attractive to men. Paul is saying women should be attractive by character. Also, the fact that Paul had to mention "dress modestly" indicates that women back then were sressing like the young women are now - seductively. The instruction is to not dress seductively.

I doubt the LORD meant for this to be an order binding us again to rules and regulations of the Law - "do not handle, do not taste, do not touch" - which Paul on many occasions instructed against as well.

First in the Byzantine text the scriptures do say, do not have any jewelry. Read the KJV, you will see what the Byzantine text says, better then the other versions like N.I.V.. The point is people are not having a right spirit if they have jewelry.

The focus is on the inward all the time, but the inward shows itself through actions, those if someone is not obeying God's commands, they have fruit that shows they are not. The last scripture do not handle, taste, and touch, is not regarding the understanding of these other scriptures, you are taking the scriptures out of context, if we obey God then we obey, if we disobey God they we disobey.

These next scriptures are talking about when the new Jerusalem comes down from heaven, after the 1,000 year reign of Christ, when MeSHiaCH comes back, He will establish vows, again, and command doing many different parts of the Older Covenant again, until then there is no command to do that. As a matter of fact we are commanded until He comes back to not vow Christ said so, and not to wear jewelry, until He comes back, and if He will establish jewelry at that time He will, and can, yet He maybe will not, I do not know, but these commandments are for until he comes back. Yet we can do the different feasts, if we want to show love to God, and to become all things to all, and if God leads some with the purpose of establishing the temple of again this is great. A messiah must come and establish the temple again the next temple established by Zerrubabel, and YeHSHua Meshiach will establish that temple again, and the last city is the one spoken of in Rev. 21, and that would be again. The eternal covenant is eternal, but when God punished the children of Israel many times he went away from the different ways of Himself, until He choose to have mercy again, and thus when MeSHiaCH comes back is when ultimately He will have total mercy, because before He comes back Israel, in the spiritual, and in the natural, some will go astray, and that is why we see the two witnesses getting killed by some, and that is why the city again is called spiritually Sodom, and Egypt.

By the way, ever read about the description of the Bride of the Lamb?

QUOTE

Rev. 21:9-21

Come here, I will show you the (29) bride, the wife of the Lamb."

10 And (30) he carried me away [2] (31) in the Spirit to a great and high mountain, and showed me (32) the holy city, Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God,

11 having (33) the glory of God. Her brilliance was like a very costly stone, as a (34) stone of (35) crystal-clear jasper. . . .

18 The material of the wall was (44) jasper; and the city was (45) pure gold, like clear (46) glass.

19 (47) The foundation stones of the city wall were adorned with every kind of precious stone. The first foundation stone was (48) jasper; the second, sapphire; the third, chalcedony; the fourth, (49) emerald;

20 the fifth, sardonyx; the sixth, (50) sardius; the seventh, chrysolite; the eighth, beryl; the ninth, topaz; the tenth, chrysoprase; the eleventh, jacinth; the twelfth, amethyst.

21 And the twelve (51) gates were twelve (52) pearls; each one of the gates was a single pearl. And the street of the city was (53) pure gold, like transparent (54) glass.

[AllforJesustheLord]

Olivetree said all this, and I will put my replies in.

"JESUS CHRIST is the WORD of GOD so HIS words will never pass away.

The New Testament did not even exist when JESUS was doing HIS 33 year ministry on earth."

Yes, and Jesus kept His Word going after His life, and eventually we got the N.C., scriptures written down in Greek, the ones used in the Byzantine text, Greek is the language God chose to write His Word in for the N.C., now all languages should get the scriptures straight from the 6 Byzantine Texts, like the KJV did, yet I know the KJV, did not bring everything into english perfectly, that is why we still have the Greek text, which is used to translate into English, or any other language.

"When He went into the temple HE opened the Book to ISAIAH."

Yes, He did, and He also used other KaDoSH(Holy) Books of The Older Testament, as a matter of fact you could look into Isaiah, and see I think in the 3 chapter, ELoHeeM does not want us to use jewelry, when the scripture speaks of the women, being disobedient, and getting punished by ELoHeeM(God), for there disobedience.

"Paul,Peter,and the other apostles preached CHRIST from the Old Testament which included the Torah,the prophets,and the Psalms."

Exactly.

"The Bible is Translated into English for our benefit and even scholars admitt that some of the Hebrew and Greek word meanings are diluted by the English language."

I agree that is why we need to have the Older Covenant, and the New Covenant, the Masoretic Texts of the Older Covenant, and the Byzantine Text of the New Covenant. So, we will have the perfect striptures to translate perfectly.

"This does not change the fact of Who JESUS is and and the English Bible gives us the reedemptive story of JESUS and HIS grace,mercy,and love for us."

If we look at what I just said, we can get a perfect understanding through The RuaCH(Breath, Spirit) of ELoHeeM(God).

"Man is the one who chooses to make verses in the Bible fit his beliefs instead of conforming to the WORD of GOD[JESUS]"

Exactly.

"There is way too much legalism in the modern church and there was the same problem 2000 years ago.[Read Paul's letter called Galatians]"

I am not teaching, or preaching a understanding which is a legalism, that is against God. I am showing a teaching straight from ELoHeeM(God), straight from The Word of ELoHaY(God). ELoHeeM has His way, and that way is YeHuSHua MeSHiaCH, and through Him we can see all truth, and all righteousness, we are commanded to follow His commands, and Christ spoke through Peter in 1 Peter, and through Paul in 1 Timothy.

"The LORD Himself told Samuel when choosing a king for Israel that HE looks at the heart of a man and not his outward appearance."

Very true, and when He looks He goes over all things of the natural, and that means in the N.C. understanding He sees if the person will be righteous, and that means He sees what is good, and what they person can, and/or will do, the intentions of serving, and loving Him, so if the person will do His will, God sees that, and eventually, that person will do what He wants, and thus we see the N.C., and MeSHiaCH, and His new Teachings, which we are told to obey, the Old Testament shows the MeSHiaCH to Come, and He did come, and continues to come through His Spirit, and physically sometimes, and then also will come again physically.

[nebula]

Oh - here we go 'round the mulberry bush, the mulberry bush, the mulberry bush. . . .

I've been in enough "women have to wear headcovering or they are in sin," "women have to wear skirts and dresses or they are in sin," "women hav eot keep their mouths shut in church or they are in sin," debates to know where this debate will keep going.

(around and around and around and around and ar. . . )

If wearing a wedding ring and a tie tack is evil for you, then by all means don't do it. If you think that my accessorizing my garement with a necklace to make me look less frumpy is going to send me to Hell, then go ahead and condemn me all you please. This argument just isn't worth the effort.

Straining gnats and swallowing camels.

Before I officially leave, though, I have one comment to add.

Luke 15:8

"Or suppose a woman has ten silver coins and loses one. Does she not light a lamp, sweep the house and search carefully until she finds it?

I have heard that in that time and culture, the "ten coins" were something married women wore on their foreheads to indicate faithfulness in marriage. To have lost the coin was to spoil her reputation which is why it was such a big deal to her to find it.

Just a thought.

[Guest olivetree]

The Love of GOD should be manifested through his people[disciples]. This is a spiritual thing and physical appearance is irrevelant.If you help someone in need[such as feeding them] by the love of CHRIST they do not care how you are dressed or what kind of jewelry you are wearing. LOVE covers a multitude of sins.JESUS HIMSELF said that feeding someone that is hungry is the same as feeding HIM. HE did not put any dress code restrictions on this statement.

Isaiah walked around naked for 3 years by GOD'S command so I don't think wearing some jewelry is going to be of great concern to the LORD GOD.

The LORD GOD[JESUS] cares about the heart of man and not his outward appearance.

There is way too much religious dogmatism in the modern church as was in Paul's day.[Galatians]

JESUS CHRIST redeemed me from the curse of the law and the bondage of legalism!

Edited May 24, 2004 by olivetree

[Guest olivetree]

Isaiah chapter 3 does not say that the women of Israel cannot wear jewelry.The LORD HIMSELF proclams He will take it away from them because of their pride and they were trusting in their riches instead of trusting GOD.The men and women were trusting in their man-made economy instead of trusting in the GOD of Israel.

This chapter in NO WAY says that women cannot wear jewelry.

JESUS HIMSELF uses Solomon as an example of his fine adornment and said that it still did not compare to the beauty of the flowers[HIS creation]

HE did not condemn Solomon for wearing fine clothing and jewelry.

Get past all the legalism and show the Love of CHRIST to all people.

Love covers a multitude of sins.Praise JESUS!