Biblical tongues

[Floatingaxe]

Runningator, I am not saying you have to speak in tongues to be a Christian,

[i was a Chritsian five months before I was baptised in the Holy Ghost and spoke with tongues].

A person is a Christian when they get born again of the Spirit of God, But then there is a different experience called the Baptism in the Holy Ghost with speaking in tongues.

I use the word "Baptism in the Holy Ghost because John the baptist does, Matthew 3: 11. and Jesus does, acts 1: 5.

I was a born again believer for 37 years before I submitted to the Holy Spirit enough to receive the gift of prayer language. I had been asking for it, but before I came to the point of asking for it, I was afraid of it due to an experience where a group of Christians outside of my church group, in a home prayer meeting, tried to force me to speak in tongues. I had expressed that I had a one-time experience in speaking in tongues when I was about 20, and wanted it again.

However, now I have come to the understanding about it and its use in the Body of Christ and it is a joy to be able to speak to God through the submission of my mind and my voice to Him for His pleasure and His glory. Perfect love casts out fear, and fear is the opposite to faith.

[hillsong_girl]

I really agree that this is a touchy subject. Personally, if someone is talking gibberish, it is pointless---what purpose does it serve? Unbelievers will think it's crazy or weird, and believers will have nothing to gain from it. I personally am turned off by any church that engages in "tongues" that are gibberish sounds, and I would never return to a church should this activity occur.

[OneLight]

There is a proper order which has to be followed. To deny that the Holy Spirit gives gifts is denying His words.

The Gifts:

1 Corinthians 12:4-11

There are diversities of gifts, but the same Spirit. There are differences of ministries, but the same Lord. 6 And there are diversities of activities, but it is the same God who works all in all. But the manifestation of the Spirit is given to each one for the profit of all: for to one is given the word of wisdom through the Spirit, to another the word of knowledge through the same Spirit, to another faith by the same Spirit, to another gifts of healings by the same Spirit, to another the working of miracles, to another prophecy, to another discerning of spirits, to another different kinds of tongues, to another the interpretation of tongues. But one and the same Spirit works all these things, distributing to each one individually as He wills.

The Order:

1 Corinthians 14

Pursue love, and desire spiritual gifts, but especially that you may prophesy. For he who speaks in a tongue does not speak to men but to God, for no one understands him; however, in the spirit he speaks mysteries. But he who prophesies speaks edification and exhortation and comfort to men. He who speaks in a tongue edifies himself, but he who prophesies edifies the church. I wish you all spoke with tongues, but even more that you prophesied; for he who prophesies is greater than he who speaks with tongues, unless indeed he interprets, that the church may receive edification.

But now, brethren, if I come to you speaking with tongues, what shall I profit you unless I speak to you either by revelation, by knowledge, by prophesying, or by teaching? Even things without life, whether flute or harp, when they make a sound, unless they make a distinction in the sounds, how will it be known what is piped or played? For if the trumpet makes an uncertain sound, who will prepare for battle? So likewise you, unless you utter by the tongue words easy to understand, how will it be known what is spoken? For you will be speaking into the air. There are, it may be, so many kinds of languages in the world, and none of them is without significance. Therefore, if I do not know the meaning of the language, I shall be a foreigner to him who speaks, and he who speaks will be a foreigner to me. Even so you, since you are zealous for spiritual gifts, let it be for the edification of the church that you seek to excel.

Therefore let him who speaks in a tongue pray that he may interpret. For if I pray in a tongue, my spirit prays, but my understanding is unfruitful. What is the conclusion then? I will pray with the spirit, and I will also pray with the understanding. I will sing with the spirit, and I will also sing with the understanding. Otherwise, if you bless with the spirit, how will he who occupies the place of the uninformed say

[OnFire4God]

Runningator, I am not saying you have to speak in tongues to be a Christian,

[i was a Chritsian five months before I was baptised in the Holy Ghost and spoke with tongues].

A person is a Christian when they get born again of the Spirit of God, But then there is a different experience called the Baptism in the Holy Ghost with speaking in tongues.

I use the word "Baptism in the Holy Ghost because John the baptist does, Matthew 3: 11. and Jesus does, acts 1: 5.

I was a born again believer for 37 years before I submitted to the Holy Spirit enough to receive the gift of prayer language. I had been asking for it, but before I came to the point of asking for it, I was afraid of it due to an experience where a group of Christians outside of my church group, in a home prayer meeting, tried to force me to speak in tongues. I had expressed that I had a one-time experience in speaking in tongues when I was about 20, and wanted it again.

However, now I have come to the understanding about it and its use in the Body of Christ and it is a joy to be able to speak to God through the submission of my mind and my voice to Him for His pleasure and His glory. Perfect love casts out fear, and fear is the opposite to faith.

Maybe Im fearful. And I don't think I know how to be very submissive...this is a new vocabulary word for me but I'm trying hard to work on it.

[Floatingaxe]

Runningator, I am not saying you have to speak in tongues to be a Christian,

[i was a Chritsian five months before I was baptised in the Holy Ghost and spoke with tongues].

A person is a Christian when they get born again of the Spirit of God, But then there is a different experience called the Baptism in the Holy Ghost with speaking in tongues.

I use the word "Baptism in the Holy Ghost because John the baptist does, Matthew 3: 11. and Jesus does, acts 1: 5.

I was a born again believer for 37 years before I submitted to the Holy Spirit enough to receive the gift of prayer language. I had been asking for it, but before I came to the point of asking for it, I was afraid of it due to an experience where a group of Christians outside of my church group, in a home prayer meeting, tried to force me to speak in tongues. I had expressed that I had a one-time experience in speaking in tongues when I was about 20, and wanted it again.

However, now I have come to the understanding about it and its use in the Body of Christ and it is a joy to be able to speak to God through the submission of my mind and my voice to Him for His pleasure and His glory. Perfect love casts out fear, and fear is the opposite to faith.

Maybe Im fearful. And I don't think I know how to be very submissive...this is a new vocabulary word for me but I'm trying hard to work on it.

I think that fear is a common thing. I was pretty spooked at the idea, having had demonic activity in my life previously, from which I was delivered. But I listened to teachers and leaders I trusted and learned more about the Word of God and more about how the Holy Spirit moves in us, and in spite of not being exposed to it in any great measure, because the denomination I was in then did not deny the gift, but did not encourage it either, I began to seek the gift.

After a few experiences where I openly asked God for the gift of tongues, yet did not receive it, one afternoon, I began to worship Jesus Christ, submitted my voice and it suddenly switched from English to another language! It was a blessed event!

God bless you as you work through this area where God wants to increase you.

[vicki-aka-bebe]

i agree with onelight and many of the chatters that have given scripture on tongues.... i myself was not sure of speaking in tongues .. i didnt want anything that wasnt of God... i prayed and asked the Lord for the gift if it was of him... and i dont feel anyone that speaks in tongues are more special in Gods eyes or mans... i myself only speak in tongues when i am in deep prayer ... not for everyone to hear or show... i will be praying and sometimes i feel the utterance of tongues come on me... or from with in me... I dont feel a need to go around saying i speak in tongues or God gave me this or that... i pray and asked the Lord to show me in his Word and lead me by his Spirit as to what he wants me to do... and i try and do that... i also know this topic can cause many christians to become upset with each other and i for one prefer not to argue the point when we seem to get no where... and because this has nothing to do with someones salvation i dont feel a need to debate it all the time... i much rather be of one mind and one accord on things of God....i am thankful for all the Lord gives me and teaches me.. and uses me for his glory...

as in acts..8:5-17 when philip came to the city of samaria and preached Christ to them... they were baptized in the name of Jesus and saved... they had recieved the Word of God... then after peter and John went to samaria and prayed that they might recieve the Holy Ghost... the samaritans obviously were saved before the visit of peter and john... peter who ought to know... defined salvation in First peter 1:23 as being born again not of courruptible seed but of incorruptible by the Word of God which liveth and abideth forever.... we seen in verse 12 that the samaritans had believed and had been baptized in water .. in verse 14 we saw that they had received the Word of God .... Peter and John didnt pray for the samaritans to get saved.... they already were saved... the apostles prayed that they might recieve the Holy Spirit...... and peter and john didnt pray that God would give the samaritans the Holy Spirit... they prayed that they might recieve the Holy Ghost.... then they laid thier hands on them and they received the Holy Ghost....they prayed for them that they might receive....

God bless you all sister vicki

[Floatingaxe]

i agree with onelight and many of the chatters that have given scripture on tongues.... i myself was not sure of speaking in tongues .. i didnt want anything that wasnt of God... i prayed and asked the Lord for the gift if it was of him... and i dont feel anyone that speaks in tongues are more special in Gods eyes or mans... i myself only speak in tongues when i am in deep prayer ... not for everyone to hear or show... i will be praying and sometimes i feel the utterance of tongues come on me... or from with in me... I dont feel a need to go around saying i speak in tongues or God gave me this or that... i pray and asked the Lord to show me in his Word and lead me by his Spirit as to what he wants me to do... and i try and do that... i also know this topic can cause many christians to become upset with each other and i for one prefer not to argue the point when we seem to get no where... and because this has nothing to do with someones salvation i dont feel a need to debate it all the time... i much rather be of one mind and one accord on things of God....i am thankful for all the Lord gives me and teaches me.. and uses me for his glory...

as in acts..8:5-17 when philip came to the city of samaria and preached Christ to them... they were baptized in the name of Jesus and saved... they had recieved the Word of God... then after peter and John went to samaria and prayed that they might recieve the Holy Ghost... the samaritans obviously were saved before the visit of peter and john... peter who ought to know... defined salvation in First peter 1:23 as being born again not of courruptible seed but of incorruptible by the Word of God which liveth and abideth forever.... we seen in verse 12 that the samaritans had believed and had been baptized in water .. in verse 14 we saw that they had received the Word of God .... Peter and John didnt pray for the samaritans to get saved.... they already were saved... the apostles prayed that they might recieve the Holy Spirit...... and peter and john didnt pray that God would give the samaritans the Holy Spirit... they prayed that they might recieve the Holy Ghost.... then they laid thier hands on them and they received the Holy Ghost....they prayed for them that they might receive....

God bless you all sister vicki

Lovely to hear from you, vicki! Thank you!

[Scarletprayers]

I keep readin "tongues are for everyone who's been baptised by the Holy Spirit" which actually boils down to "If you are a REAL believer, you'll speak in tongues" Same conversation in every thread like this, those that believe in tongues lookin down and feeling pity for those that don't and basically doubting their salvation irregardless of how you try to dress it up.

[Scarletprayers]

I keep readin "tongues are for everyone who's been baptised by the Holy Spirit" which actually boils down to "If you are a REAL believer, you'll speak in tongues" Same conversation in every thread like this, those that believe in tongues lookin down and feeling pity for those that don't and basically doubting their salvation irregardless of how you try to dress it up.

That is not true, I believe that all christians can receive the ability to pray in tongues through the baptism of the Holy Spirit, but I do not look down on anyone that has not been baptized in the Holy Spirit or spoken in tongues nor do I question their salvation.

And YET, the Bible says not everybody receives the same gift..............................same old same old..........this is one of the reasons I don't come here very much any more. I'm not saying your NOT a christian if you don't speak in tongues...........BUT

[Ovedya]

I keep readin "tongues are for everyone who's been baptised by the Holy Spirit" which actually boils down to "If you are a REAL believer, you'll speak in tongues" Same conversation in every thread like this, those that believe in tongues lookin down and feeling pity for those that don't and basically doubting their salvation irregardless of how you try to dress it up.

That is not true, I believe that all christians can receive the ability to pray in tongues through the baptism of the Holy Spirit, but I do not look down on anyone that has not been baptized in the Holy Spirit or spoken in tongues nor do I question their salvation.

And YET, the Bible says not everybody receives the same gift..............................same old same old..........this is one of the reasons I don't come here very much any more. I'm not saying your NOT a christian if you don't speak in tongues...........BUT

I too have experienced a kind of condescension from charismatics on this subject, which is why I usually don't participate in them much. Actually on one occasion a charismatic told me that I lacked faith because i didn't speak in tongues.