Biblical tongues

[Floatingaxe]

Well, it seems you are reading something where no one has written it. There is no need for you to heap condemnation on yourself. Not all will speak in tongues in the ministry gift, according to scripture. But all born again believers who have the baptism of the Holy Spirit CAN speak to God in a tongue. Whether they avail themselves of it or not is their choice. It says nothing about their walk with God, except that they will miss out on another dimension to their worship and prayer life. It's a great thing...why deny oneself of it? When it is there for the asking, why not take all that God desires to give you?

But all born again believers who have the baptism of the Holy Spirit CAN speak to God in a tongue.

Biblical support please

Just reread the thread. As Paul spoke in tongues a lot by his own admission, he wasn't exhorting in the assembly constantly--he was talking to God, praying in tongues--in the Spirit, which he exhorts us to do...all of us.

why is it so hard for you to give Biblical support for the things that you state as fact?

The fact that Paul did does not mean that everyone can. It was Paul himself that said only some will have the gift of tongues.

Is it too much to ask for you to back up what you have said with a few passages from the Bible?

Hon, it's been done. You refuse it. There is no point repeating.

[Floatingaxe]

Well, it seems you are reading something where no one has written it. There is no need for you to heap condemnation on yourself. Not all will speak in tongues in the ministry gift, according to scripture. But all born again believers who have the baptism of the Holy Spirit CAN speak to God in a tongue. Whether they avail themselves of it or not is their choice. It says nothing about their walk with God, except that they will miss out on another dimension to their worship and prayer life. It's a great thing...why deny oneself of it? When it is there for the asking, why not take all that God desires to give you?

But all born again believers who have the baptism of the Holy Spirit CAN speak to God in a tongue.

Biblical support please

Just reread the thread. As Paul spoke in tongues a lot by his own admission, he wasn't exhorting in the assembly constantly--he was talking to God, praying in tongues--in the Spirit, which he exhorts us to do...all of us.

why is it so hard for you to give Biblical support for the things that you state as fact?

The fact that Paul did does not mean that everyone can. It was Paul himself that said only some will have the gift of tongues.

Is it too much to ask for you to back up what you have said with a few passages from the Bible?

You might as well give up, before you "heap condemnation" on your head too..............

And since thats what I'm doing FA, don't bother talking to me or answering my questions please you have nothing to teach me.

I hear that you believe people are condemning others around here. They aren't. I hear that you are giving up on this thread because of that belief. I hear self-condemnation. Sorry if I was wrong.

Being teachable is good. You choose your teachers. Not me? I am not offended by that. As long as you are teachable, God will send you people to teach you well.

[Floatingaxe]

Hon, it's been done. You refuse it. There is no point repeating.

nope, no one has shown me any Biblical support of every believer having tongues.

That's your opinion. Thanks for sharing it. Again.

[Scarletprayers]

Hon, it's been done. You refuse it. There is no point repeating.

nope, no one has shown me any Biblical support of every believer having tongues.

That's your opinion. Thanks for sharing it. Again.

I have to agree with FA there has been more than enough biblical evidence given in this thread and others like it recently to show beyond any shadow of any doubt that all believers can be baptized in the Holy Spirit and receive the prayer language of tongues. For one reason or another you just refused to accept it.

Really, thats funny cause Paul said that there were different gifts, no where does it say that everybody will have that one gift. Don't add to what the Bible actually says.

[Floatingaxe]

Hon, it's been done. You refuse it. There is no point repeating.

nope, no one has shown me any Biblical support of every believer having tongues.

That's your opinion. Thanks for sharing it. Again.

I have to agree with FA there has been more than enough biblical evidence given in this thread and others like it recently to show beyond any shadow of any doubt that all believers can be baptized in the Holy Spirit and receive the prayer language of tongues. For one reason or another you just refused to accept it.

Really, thats funny cause Paul said that there were different gifts, no where does it say that everybody will have that one gift. Don't add to what the Bible actually says.

OK, now I know for sure that you haven't read this thread, so here we go again:

There is a difference between the Gift of Tongues and the Prayer Language:

The gift of tongues is a “MINISTRY GIFT”---given to an individual for the primary purpose of encouraging others. This gift must always be accompanied by the Gift of Interpretation. (1 Cor 14:13, 28)

It manifests in worship services with a distinct sound, a clear call, evident to everyone in the whole Body that it IS a message FROM God TO us. These gifts of tongues and interpretation are the equivalent of prophecy. (1 Cor 14:5)

Prayer Language isn’t a ministry gift—not one that is utilized to deliver messages from God to the Church. It is a “GRACE GIFT”, utilized by the Holy Spirit to benefit the individual believer and deliver messages from the spirit of man to the heart of God. (1 Cor 14:4/ Jude 20/ Isaiah 28:11-12)

We do not all have the ministry gift of tongues, as in Cor 12: 29-30, but we all have the grace gift within us to pray in tongues—but as with all things that God blesses us with, we want to CHOOSE to avail ourselves of that gift which he has made available to us and YIELD our vocal cords to those sounds welling up from our spirits!

PRAYING IN TONGUES:

1) Evidence of the Baptism of the Holy Spirit: Acts 2:4 / Acts 9:10-12 / Acts 17 along with 1 Cor 14:18 /

Acts 10:44-46 / Acts 19: 1-6

2) Refreshes and edifies the believer—draws up out of the wells of Salvation!: Isaiah 12:3 / Isaiah 28:11-

12 / John 4:14 / John 7: 37-38 / Luke 6:45 / Heb 2:4

3) Helps us to pray for that which is unrevealed (mysteries):

--God’s way of “bubbling up” answers into our souls: 1 Cor 14:2 / 1 Cor 14:14

--unknown needs: Proverbs 18:21 / Mark 11:23-24 / Romans 8:26-27

4) Adds new dimension to worship: 1Cor 14:15

--spiritual songs—singing in tongues!

5) Builds faith: Jude 20

6) I believe that it is also an effective weapon that is used against the evil one, as he is confounded by the

heavenly language.

One gift is speaking FOR God and the other is speaking TO God. TO people versus TO God.

[OnFire4God]

:sigh: The tension is so thick, no wonder no one is being edified

[OnFire4God]

:sigh: The tension is so thick, no wonder no one is being edified

Floatingaxe, your patience impresses me.

[Floatingaxe]

:sigh: The tension is so thick, no wonder no one is being edified

Floatingaxe, your patience impresses me.

Oh wow! Thank you! You should see my nails!

[ParanoidAndroid]

I haven't read through this whole thread so I haven't seen all the responses yet. But from what I understood the gift of "tongues" was first manifested at Pentecost when the Holy Spirit came upon the Disciples. During this event, the Disciples went out of their house and preached to the crowd in their own language but everyone listening heard it being spoken in their own native tongue:

Acts 2:4 And they were all filled with the Holy Spirit and began to speak in other tongues as the Spirit gave them utterance.

Acts 2:5 Now there were dwelling in Jerusalem Jews, devout men from every nation under heaven.

Acts 2:6 And at this sound the multitude came together, and they were bewildered, because each one was hearing them speak in his own language.

Acts 2:7 And they were amazed and astonished, saying, "Are not all these who are speaking Galileans?

Acts 2:8 And how is it that we hear, each of us in his own native language?

It is from the events of this day that the current Christian movement known as "Pentecostals" get their name (hence why they are called that - based on the events of Pentecost). Thus when we speak of "tongues", the only possible answer that I see is that a person who speaks in one language can be understood by many people regardless of their native tongue (much like the Star Trek "Universal Translator" if you ever watched Science Fiction).

This is the only biblical expression of the gift of tongues. Any other interpretation of the speaking the "language of the angels" as Pentecostals try to put it is (in my biblically based opinion) a misinterpretation of this verse and a preconception of what the gift of tongues is.

As was mentioned in the opening post, the gift of tongues serves no purpose except personal gratification, and the Holy Spirit just does not work that way. The Holy Spirit works for the exaltation of God, not the gratification of the flesh. Spouting gibberish may just be a personal expression of a group-induced hypnotism, but it is definitely not from God, in my opinion.

Just a thought,

~ PA

[ParanoidAndroid]

1st Cor 13:1 Though I speak with the tongues of men and of angel, and have not charity, I become as sounding brass, or a tinkling cymbal.

Here we see tow things

#1 Love is more important that any gift of the Spirit you see this clearly when the rest of the chapter is read.

#2 Paul spoke with the tongue of angels.

So paranoid you might want to rethink your ''biblical opinion''

But what is the "tongues of angels"? I have seen this argument repeatedly, Ezekiel. And always we are left with that question - the only way of describing the "tongues of angels" is from our own preconceived ideas of what that is. The Bible certainly never details it - the only time the gift of tongues is mentioned is in Acts 2, which I quoted. Using only the Bible then, the most logical answer is either 1- the tongues of angels is the gift given to these disciples to speak in one language and be heard universally in all languages, or 2- as Gator said, Paul was speaking hypothetically. Textually speaking, anything else is nothing but conjecture and based on our preconceived experiences through society, not on the Bible.

The Bible does not elaborate on the "tongues of angels", so how can we then extrapolate that it is this gibberish language that no one seemingly can understand coming from those who call themselves Charismatics or Pentecostals (which as I said take their name from the miracles of Pentecost - which includes the gift of tongues).

It's honestly a stretch to take this view, and I can't see how you can see it otherwise unless you impose your own preconceptions on the Bible first.

All the best,