Losing salvation

[Guest shadow2b]

-Well, yes and no. Yes because our faith is evident by the way we live and love each other, but no because none of us are in any kind of position to judge another person.

-Isn't that what the Bible says?

-NOPE--IT--ISN'T-

-1st Cor.6.vs.2-------

-"Do you not know that the saints will judge the world? And if the world will be judged by you, are you unworthy to judge the smallest matters?"

-READ--STUDY--PROCLAIM--TRUTH------NOT DENOMINATIONAL--DOGMA :oww:

[Guest noelmaude]

let's go through this scripture as a matter of faith.

2 Corinthians 6:16" As God has said: "I will dwell in them And walk among them. I will be their God, And they shall be My people."

17 Therefore "Come out from among them And be separate, says the Lord. Do not touch what is unclean, And I will receive you."*

18 "I will be a Father to you, And you shall be My sons and daughters, Says the Lord Almighty."*

In virse 17. do you realize that there is a reverse to this order. if you will not come out from among them and be separate. If you will not stop touching what is unclean. I will not receive you.

So where are you at? are you a tare or wheat.

Matthew 13 30 Let both grow together until the harvest, and at the time of harvest I will say to the reapers, "First gather together the tares and bind them in bundles to burn them, but gather the wheat into my barn." '

Our only agenda is to wake up the elect. :il:

[Guest Calamity]

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[Guest Called]

I'm talking about our flesh. There is a list of things that are called "works of the flesh".

Okay, we give the flesh to much credit.

[keslc]

Here is the problem...we should NEVER concentrate on sin! To ask a question like "how much sin can you do" is emphasizing the negative and brings about only negative thoughts!

But for real - if you can lose, or throw away your salvation, to know HOW MUCH SIN it takes, would be a very important thing to know, don't you think? It wouldn't be negative, it'd be a positive, because then you'd know where the limits were and when to toe the line and straighten up. Makes sense to me.

Ok, I haven't read through the entire thread, yet, so forgive me if I am redundant, but I just HAD to comment. Any sin is seperation from God regardless of "how much" of it we do. So the question isn't "how much" sin means I've walked away from God, but because I have sinned, I've walked away from God. The great thing is, God will forgive us when we come before Him again and repent of that sin. There was talk of the Prodigal son earlier in this thread and that is a GREAT example! The son walked away from the Father it doesn't matter that he walked 10, 20, 1000 miles away, but he walked away. His Father was waiting, watching, loving him the entire time he was gone, but if the son had not returned to the Father, he would not have lived. Same with us, when we walk away from God He is still loving us, waiting for us, wanting to welcome us back, but if we don't return to Him in repentance, we will die too.

Thank you Dimeministries, I've appreciated everything you've had to say!

[keslc]

The OSAS man says, "I am saved, I am being saved, and I will be saved. The Lord Jesus gave His life once for all. There was nothing I could do, there is nothing I can do to save myself. But one thing I know, I will go one enjoying this wonderful freedom I have in Christ Jesus. I will press on knowing that one day the Lord Jesus will save me in spite of myself. All I need to do is go on believing in the efficacious blood of Jesus Christ. And if by chance I do fail, the blood of Christ is pleading for me. All I need to do is confess and believe."

The OSNAS man says, "I am saved, I am being saved, and I will be saved, provided that I do not fail and reject the provision which God in Christ Jesus has for me. The danger of being rejected by Christ at the Great White Throne propels me to live a life in dedication to God's word and obedience to Him. As long as I keep Christ's commandments I am okay. But if I should fail, I can always confess and repent and God will again come to live in me."

Doctrines don't save. Jesus saves.

My opinion, however, is that one lives a life enjoying the wonderful provision of God's grace, which drives him to pursue Christ even more. The other lives a life largely in fear of losing his or her salvation, which more or less drives him to live a life of legalizm and therefore the enjoyment of Christ is not as great.

JMHO

God-man,

I am offended by your statement. I believe that continuance in a state of salvation depends uppon continued obedient faith in Christ, however, I do NOT live in "fear" that I can lose my salvation and I do not try to live an obedient life because of a "threat", I try to live an obedient life because I love Jesus and because of His love for me! I WANT to be obedient to Christ because I am awed and overwhelmed at His awesome goodness and I respect and love Him more than anything! My motivation for obedience is not fear, but love. I am aghast that you pressume otherwise.

"To be like Jesus, this hope possesses me"!

[Guest Called]

"To be like Jesus, this hope possesses me"!

Preach it sister!

[Khristeeanos]

One point that I always make that I have not yet is that nobody intrepretated the Scriptures to say OSAS until just a few hundred years ago.

OSAS is foreign to the Bible and all of church history until John Calvin, and OSAS was only there because he taught predetermined salvation.

Without T.U.L. and I, P. means nothing.

[slimshadyJB]

I believe that you can lose your salvation if you become a christian but then later ignore God and do tons of sinful acts or change to a different religion. We can only lose our salvation if we want to. We can't lose it accidentally, but if we are constantly involved in sin and we do not obey God, we can lose it.

Josh

[dwinkjr]

Joh 10:27 My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me:

Joh 10:28 And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand.

Joh 10:29 My Father, which gave them me, is greater than all; and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father's hand.

Joh 10:30 I and my Father are one.

Here is one of hte verses i have found concerning this... "they shall never perish"

notice the word NEVER.. this tells me that salvation is eternal and shall never be lost... now the question you should be asking is would one that is truly saved ever commit a great multitude of sins against Christ? Would one that is truly saved change there mind? i dont think so..