Something that needs to be said - So I'm gonna say it.

[Rick-Parker]

People reach different conclusions about scripture because of the external influences in their life. Their pastor, books they read, opinions of friends, different versions of the Bible, personal observations and biases. With non-salvation issues, I think that we believe what makes us feel the most comfortable with the Word. I'm not talking about error here, but about issues like the rapture and the timing of end time events, among others.

[Guest HIS girl]

One thing to keep in mind is that "literal" does not mean "face-value." If it did then we would all have to pluck out our eyes and cut off our hands as Jesus commanded. "Face-value" is a wooden approach to the Bible that fails to account for symbolism, metphors, similies, allegories and so forth. Often those who take the Bible at face-value are under the fale impression that they are taking the Bible literally.

If I took the Bible at face value, then I wouldn't be taking into account hyperbole that Jesus used, symbolism in the Apostle John's writings of Revelation and the poetry of the Psalm and Song of Songs. If you read all of my replies, you will see I mention this.

I take all of this into account....I do listen to the Holy Spirit and acknowledge the Wisdom that comes from listening to the HS.

However : )

I do take the 6-24 hr day Creation account as literal.......is that a crime? Feels like it around here.

RunningGator...with the responses you've given to my replies...you just like arguing with me/ you nit pick at all my turns....AND guess what? I'm DONE with discussing the Bible with you.

[Guest shiloh357]

One thing to keep in mind is that "literal" does not mean "face-value." If it did then we would all have to pluck out our eyes and cut off our hands as Jesus commanded. "Face-value" is a wooden approach to the Bible that fails to account for symbolism, metphors, similies, allegories and so forth. Often those who take the Bible at face-value are under the fale impression that they are taking the Bible literally.

If I took the Bible at face value, then I wouldn't be taking into account hyperbole that Jesus used, symbolism in the Apostle John's writings of Revelation and the poetry of the Psalm and Song of Songs. If you read all of my replies, you will see I mention this.

I take all of this into account....I do listen to the Holy Spirit and acknowledge the Wisdom that comes from listening to the HS.

However : )

I do take the 6-24 hr day Creation account as literal.......is that a crime? Feels like it around here.

Well, like I said, I was not assigning any values to you, nor was I saying that you are taking the Bible at face-value. I was simply addressing in a general sense what literal means as opposed to the reigning conception that seems to be prevelent in the minds of many.

Lot's of people believe in a 6/24 hr days. No crime in that.

[Guest man]

2 Timothy 2

23 But avoid foolish and ignorant disputes, knowing that they generate strife.

Can someone explain to me the importance of knowing how long it took the Lord to create the heavens and the earth?

I may be out of line here, but to me, these agruments are stupid. Nobody can prove anything. The only thing that gets accomplished is that satan wins.

People get mad, people get arrogant, feelings are hurt, pride gets all puffed up. Foolish words get thrown around like rice at a wedding and the devil sits back and laughs.

We're supposed to build one another up, not tear each other down.

[OneLight]

2 Timothy 2

23 But avoid foolish and ignorant disputes, knowing that they generate strife.

Can someone explain to me the importance of knowing how long it took the Lord to create the heavens and the earth?

I may be out of line here, but to me, these agruments are stupid. Nobody can prove anything. The only thing that gets accomplished is that satan wins.

People get mad, people get arrogant, feelings are hurt, pride gets all puffed up. Foolish words get thrown around like rice at a wedding and the devil sits back and laughs.

We're supposed to build one another up, not tear each other down.

Well said.

[Guest man]

A few points...

1. It can be important to some. I have known people that either delayed becoming a Christian or never did because they were basically told they had to believe the days were 24 hour days and that was not something they could do.

Some plant, some water, but it is the Lord who gives the increase.

2. I don

[Guest man]

Some plant, some water, but it is the Lord who gives the increase.

and what does the Bible say about being a stumbling block?

Please explain.

No one can prove beyond a shadow of a doubt how long it took the Lord to create the heavens and the earth.

I agree 100%, but if a person takes a stand on one side or the other, they should still be able to explain why.

If you can't prove it, then why argue the point?

This is an issue of the flesh. Our salvation doesn't hinge on knowing how long it took.

this can be said about a great deal of the Bible, does that mean we should not discuss any of it?

Discussing it is one thing, arguing about it is another.

[Guest HIS girl]

I am sorry you feel that way, I dont feel I have nit-picked at all. I have asked questions to try and get an understanding of why you believe what you believe and to maybe get you to understand where I am coming from.

perhaps it is not me that you are uncomfortable with.

Believe what you will. Move on.

[Guest man]

And just for the record, the Lord said it took 6 days and on the 7th day He rested........I believe that.

Something else to consider.

2 Peter 3

8 But, beloved, do not forget this one thing, that with the Lord one day is as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.

[Guest HIS girl]

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Literally speaking...I take the Bible at it's Word.

one last question, if you dont mind...

in this verse...This is the account of the heavens and the earth when they were created, in the day that the LORD God made earth and heaven.

Is this a 24 hour day also?

Would that be the same as saying "Back in my day.." or "In my day, the Sydney Harbour Bridge was built." ?

Sounds like it to me.

Another hair to split .