WN: Russia Threatens Military Response if U.S., Poland Follow Through

[OneLight]

And it doesn't help that Russia's having its way with Georgia, either.

I agree...

...but again, would Putin and the Russian parliament have felt compelled to invade Georgia if they didn't feel threatened and the need for a buffer zone.

Wasn't it just a few months ago that we proposed a missile defense system in Turkey?

Yes. Moscow to Israel is a straight line if they can go through Georgia.

[nebula]

Yes. Moscow to Israel is a straight line if they can go through Georgia.

And that's the clincher.

[WayneB]

I believe that the intent of this missile shield is exactly what NATO and USA are saying it is: protection from being blackmailed by a nuclear Iran

I believe it to but it doesn't matter what we believe really.

It is unfortunate that Moscow sees this as a threat to itself...but if Mexico was building nukes to launch at Siberia, I think America would understand Russia's perceived need to defend itself.

I don't think we would understand as long as Mexico remained a friend.

however, if we count how many American military bases there are abroad and compare that to Russian military bases abroad, it could appear that only one country is threatening to rule the entire planet.

I don't know the statistics but being a former member of the military, we have bases and stockpiles of weapons for the RDF all over the world.

[WayneB]

And it doesn't help that Russia's having its way with Georgia, either.

I agree...

...but again, would Putin and the Russian parliament have felt compelled to invade Georgia if they didn't feel threatened and the need for a buffer zone.

Wasn't it just a few months ago that we proposed a missile defense system in Turkey?

Yes. Moscow to Israel is a straight line if they can go through Georgia.

I don't think Moscow really cares about Israel. They care about their relationship with Iran for oil. They want a buffer from the NATO forces in Turkey and the Eastern Europe. Israel has little strategic value to them.

BUT I could be wrong. Who knows the heart of man but God?

[Matthitjah]

And it doesn't help that Russia's having its way with Georgia, either.

I agree...

...but again, would Putin and the Russian parliament have felt compelled to invade Georgia if they didn't feel threatened and the need for a buffer zone.

Wasn't it just a few months ago that we proposed a missile defense system in Turkey?

Yes. Moscow to Israel is a straight line if they can go through Georgia.

I don't think Moscow really cares about Israel. They care about their relationship with Iran for oil. They want a buffer from the NATO forces in Turkey and the Eastern Europe. Israel has little strategic value to them.

BUT I could be wrong. Who knows the heart of man but God?

Monkey Wrench time.

Suppose that Russia is fully well aware that Israel is about to eliminate their interests in Iran. A strike against Iran will provoke a response that will support the need for the Sampson Option. Just thinking out loud.

My Faith is in God too and the hour grows late. I believe the spiritual principalities are well aware of how late the hour is too. That's why they grumble.

Peace,

Dave

[OneLight]

And it doesn't help that Russia's having its way with Georgia, either.

I agree...

...but again, would Putin and the Russian parliament have felt compelled to invade Georgia if they didn't feel threatened and the need for a buffer zone.

Wasn't it just a few months ago that we proposed a missile defense system in Turkey?

Yes. Moscow to Israel is a straight line if they can go through Georgia.

I don't think Moscow really cares about Israel. They care about their relationship with Iran for oil. They want a buffer from the NATO forces in Turkey and the Eastern Europe. Israel has little strategic value to them.

BUT I could be wrong. Who knows the heart of man but God?

Israel may not be the focus of Russia, but as you mention, Iran is. Who is threatening Israel? Iran. Who is Israel said to be ready to destroy? Iran. Why is such a huge US Naval forces stationed in the Persian Gulf? Not Iraq, but Iran. The US is not going to do anything, but Israel may. Then there are the other Muslim countries that are backed by Iran, threatening Israel every day. If Russia's best new friend is against someone, so will they be in order to strengthen their ties with them. IF any nation threatens Israel to to point of destruction, the US will act, causing Russia to back their side, trying to show the world that they are, in fact, still a world player.

Just my thoughts in type ... yet, I agree:

BUT I could be wrong. Who knows the heart of man but God?

[WayneB]

True Dave.

I guess my point is this.

We as a nation are not "lilly-white" and righteous in all our actions abroad. It is not always so easy to distinguish good from bad in foreign affairs. The affairs of man are just plain messed up...we cannot make this right on our own. One action gets a reaction and so on. We are just as much to blame for the problems in the world. The only difference, I believe, is that we as a nation have good intentions.

Therefore, who should we fear? God and ONLY God. Who is our refuge? He is! Who should we wait on? The Lord...for ALL our TRUST should be in HIM and ONLY Him.

I love my country and I am one of the few remaining supporters of the President BUT I am not naive enough to think that we don't share the blame for the world's woes.

I am so very glad I have Christ. I am so very glad that I am NOT of this world. When I see good people get sucked back into the flesh, it saddens me...

...and it is all around us regardless of nationality, culture, skin-color, language. We all fall short.

[WayneB]

Israel may not be the focus of Russia, but as you mention, Iran is. Who is threatening Israel? Iran. Who is Israel said to be ready to destroy? Iran. Why is such a huge US Naval forces stationed in the Persian Gulf? Not Iraq, but Iran. The US is not going to do anything, but Israel may. Then there are the other Muslim countries that are backed by Iran, threatening Israel every day. If Russia's best new friend is against someone, so will they be in order to strengthen their ties with them. IF any nation threatens Israel to to point of destruction, the US will act, causing Russia to back their side, trying to show the world that they are, in fact, still a world player.

...and that's the quandry we're in.

[Matthitjah]

True Dave.

I guess my point is this.

We as a nation are not "lilly-white" and righteous in all our actions abroad. It is not always so easy to distinguish good from bad in foreign affairs. The affairs of man are just plain messed up...we cannot make this right on our own. One action gets a reaction and so on. We are just as much to blame for the problems in the world. The only difference, I believe, is that we as a nation have good intentions.

Therefore, who should we fear? God and ONLY God. Who is our refuge? He is! Who should we wait on? The Lord...for ALL our TRUST should be in HIM and ONLY Him.

I love my country and I am one of the few remaining supporters of the President BUT I am not naive enough to think that we don't share the blame for the world's woes.

I am so very glad I have Christ. I am so very glad that I am NOT of this world. When I see good people get sucked back into the flesh, it saddens me...

...and it is all around us regardless of nationality, culture, skin-color, language. We all fall short.

Amen bro,

By the way I agree that Russia feels threatened and that we have very badly bungled Foreign Policy in this respect. I am a backer of this President too, that doesn't mean I agree with everything that he does though. Condoleeza Rice should know better. She is a Master at Russian Foreign Affairs. The Administration poorly misjudged how far the Russians would go believing that they would not react due to their increased wealth and the International Polotics of Multi-Nationalism and Multi-National Corporations. They have badly misjudged China's intents too. Awarding them the Olympics and favored Nation Status while they still disagree on human rights is a mistake. It all begins with how we treat the helpless amongst us. Their values are not ours. Their people are expendable and the Multi-Nationalism ends when it surpasses their self interests.

As the Leader of the Free World and the Western Nations we should really have developed a long term strategic plan for the integration of former Soviet Bloc Nations into the world of the West. Instead we kinda got caught off keel with all the Terrorism stuff and the War in Iraq (which I believed from the beginning was a spiritual trap) and just put our Faith in Puty Put, Putin. (I looked into his eyes and saw his soul. ) Russia had interests with Saddam too and now with Iran threatened they can't help but feel that the field is level only when America's interests are secure. We should have done more long term. However, I believe that evil is evil and it needs to be dealt with directly.

We sure are in a mess and I'm not sure what the answer is except to Pray.

So much for the Monroe Doctrine, eh.

Peace,

Dave

[WayneB]

We know the solution...

...and HE is coming soon, I believe.

I'm not just trying to be "religious" here. I mean it.

Man has proven over and over again that we are NOT capable of governing ourselves. I think that's the lesson that God is teaching us.

We need HIM.

By the way Dave...you're smarter than you look bro. Tell the truth, did Connie tell you what to write?