Deputy shocks girl, 11, with Taser at elementary school

[Guest Biblicist]

James 1

26 If anyone among you thinks he is religious, and does not bridle his tongue but deceives his own heart, this one's religion is useless.

Amen!

Galatians 6:3

If anyone thinks he is something when he is nothing, he deceives himself.

[Guest HIS girl]

Back when...naughty students would stick their hands out waiting for the cane to whip down on them.....these days you can't even make the student GO to the office without a to and fro backchatting argument....

Any restraint towards a student should only be used if the teacher/student or fellow students are in physical danger...

Bullying is the number ONE issue of Primary Schools (not sure about secondary). Class time is mostly taken up by sorting out issues and dramas amongst students...it's so time consuming it's a wonder kids are learning anything....poor students who WANT to learn are forced to miss precious learning time.

[Guest shiloh357]

This is truly horrifying! Page after page of "she deserved it", "blame the parents", "Tasers are wonderful, they don't ever injure anyone", what ever happened to "do unto others ........" ?

The only exception, of course, being MorningGlory.

And some of you even see this as "cop bashing", aaghh!

I find it incredible that "school resource officers" are even armed with these lethal weapons.

Who was it who said "give somebody even a little power and he will abuse it"?

The problem BTS is that you fail to take into account the other side of the issue. Kids are not the same anymore.

These are not kids who were flipping rubberbands across the room or shooting spitwads. They were not getting tasered for chewing gum or passing notes in class.

We have a child who attempted to kill another student by pushing that student into oncoming traffic (I have noticed that your concern for the actual "victim" in this story has gone unmentioned).

11 year-old Jiminez became violent and began punching the deputy and drawing blood. Even then the deputy did not use the taser. It was not until Jiminez proved to be unwilling to be cooperative and continued being violent that the taser was used.

Have you seen some 11 year-old children? By the time I was 11-12 years old I had done most of my growing. When I was eleven, years old,I was taller and bigger than my mother. I had friends taller and bigger than at that age and were already into sports. By the time you are 11-12, you have done over 3/4 of the growing that you will do in your life time. When I was in the 6th grade (11 years old) I was just under 5'8'', and as a full grown adult, I stand at 5'10'' 11 year olds are not little kids and can be quite strong and full of energy. We also do not know from the report the size of the deputy vs. the size of this teen.

There is most likely, a lot more to this story than in just the report you posted, but from what is posted, it is clear that the taser was only used after the child proved to be unreasonable and unwilling to submit to any authority and became increasingly violent. The deputy used the minimum amount of force necessary to gain control of the situation and the girl and girl was reportedly not injured. The deputy did not puch the girl or engage in any kind of physically injurous force to the girl. She did not punch back or beat down the girl whatsoever.

[irishcowboy]

again....

has anyone found out what the other student did to the one?????

I have read the article in the link provided, it has nothing saying why the girl pushed her classmate.... ... no one has asked for her side of the story.....

judge righteously......

WHAT SET HER OFF TO PUSH THE OTHER STUDENT???? was the on coming traffic just part of the scenery?

can anyone answer that question?

mike

[Axxman]

Let's see if I can say this without being offensive, Axxman......I wouldn't let you run a kennel. I sure hope you are not in a position with any authority whatsoever because, if you would allow your child to be brought down by a tasor, you have no understanding whatsoever of what is right, what is moral, what is factual or anything else I can throw in there. Would it be okay to tase a 2 year old for throwing a fit and breaking things? How about an 80 year old Alziemer's patient for hitting? So...what is YOUR training in the use and safety of these devices? They shoot 50,000 volts; or did you not know that? (Looks like that 'without being offensive' thing went south on me.)

Tasers aren't harmless; they CAN be fatal....see here:

http://edition.cnn.com/2007/US/11/18/taser.death/index.html

MorningGlory...first off, I wasn't offended. In fact, your kennel jab actually made me laugh...so no worries over here!

Much to your chagrin, I am in fact in a position of authority. I am actually in law enforcement, and I am VERY knowledgeable and comfortable with the Taser. I know FIRSTHAND the effects of the Taser. And I am VERY AWARE that they shoot 50,000 volts and I know what that feels like.

Your example of using a taser on a 2 year old throwing a fit is simply ridiculous (and I think you know that.) A two year old has neither the opportunity or ability to cause harm to a person. However, I am confident that I could effectively handle a two-year old child in ANY circumstance without ANY injury. Your example of the old man is flawed as well....it assumes that I would know the exact age and health condition of the person committing the violence.

Here's the thing you keep ignoring about the taser. It is safer than ANY other option. Lets assume that Amnesty Intl. is right and that 200 or so people have died as a result of being tasered. Of course that is out of 700,000 (or so) taser uses worldwide. SO, even if some 200 have died (which is actually untrue) it is still by far the safest option. I have been in MANY fights. I have been injured, and I have seen arrestee's injured. In a physical fight, or effort to subdue a combative arrestee, somebody ALWAYS gets hurt....ALWAYS! In fact, more people are injured or die in these types of controntations than you could EVER point at the taser. A person's chances of dying from being held down during a fight are astronomical compared to being tased...its not even close.

It makes NO SENSE that you would have preferred a group of adults to physically restrain a violent teen, rather than deploy a taser. Would you prefer exposing the teen to broken bones, or damaged joints, or positional asphyxiation, or excited delirium, bleeding, or bruising, or broken teeth, etc??? The taser is remarkably effective and safe. And If my child was being violent and a threat to the well-being of others I would want authorities to use the safest, most non-violent means available to bring them under control. In fact, I would be more upset if they beat my kid up and caused him physical injury.

On a side note: We have routine Advanced Officer Training (AOT) during which we are taught the newest techniques in self-defense, submission and control. I went to an 8-hour AOT on Sept. 8th. I can guarantee you that EVERYTHING we practiced/learned would cause more physical injury than a taser. Any rational person would rather be tased than violently subdued.

BTW...your link didn't work for me.

[WrenchGuy]

I'm masochistic, my interpretation is strange, erroneous, extremely dangerous and obscene, but that's not a personal attack?

Hey, at least you don't think everything is a government conspiracy.

[WrenchGuy]

Here's the thing you keep ignoring about the taser. It is safer than ANY other option. Lets assume that Amnesty Intl. is right and that 200 or so people have died as a result of being tasered. Of course that is out of 700,000 (or so) taser uses worldwide. SO, even if some 200 have died (which is actually untrue) it is still by far the safest option. I have been in MANY fights. I have been injured, and I have seen arrestee's injured. In a physical fight, or effort to subdue a combative arrestee, somebody ALWAYS gets hurt....ALWAYS! In fact, more people are injured or die in these types of controntations than you could EVER point at the taser. A person's chances of dying from being held down during a fight are astronomical compared to being tased...its not even close.

It makes NO SENSE that you would have preferred a group of adults to physically restrain a violent teen, rather than deploy a taser. Would you prefer exposing the teen to broken bones, or damaged joints, or positional asphyxiation, or excited delirium, bleeding, or bruising, or broken teeth, etc??? The taser is remarkably effective and safe. And If my child was being violent and a threat to the well-being of others I would want authorities to use the safest, most non-violent means available to bring them under control. In fact, I would be more upset if they beat my kid up and caused him physical injury.

On a side note: We have routine Advanced Officer Training (AOT) during which we are taught the newest techniques in self-defense, submission and control. I went to an 8-hour AOT on Sept. 8th. I can guarantee you that EVERYTHING we practiced/learned would cause more physical injury than a taser. Any rational person would rather be tased than violently subdued.

Excellent points, however most people that have never been trained in law enforcement or military (like you and I) fail to realize how truly dangerous it really is (to both parties) to be violently subdued.

[Guest Biblicist]

Most people do not operate from the Truth, they operate from their perception of the truth.

[Axxman]

again....

has anyone found out what the other student did to the one?????

I have read the article in the link provided, it has nothing saying why the girl pushed her classmate.... ... no one has asked for her side of the story.....

judge righteously......

WHAT SET HER OFF TO PUSH THE OTHER STUDENT???? was the on coming traffic just part of the scenery?

can anyone answer that question?

mike

Quite honestly Mike...I don't think that matters very much.

Even if she was 100% justified in pushing another student into traffic (???) it doesn't give her ANY right to start threatening teachers and punching police officers. The pushing of the student became secondary when she decided to assault a police officer.

[Axxman]

Excellent points, however most people that have never been trained in law enforcement or military (like you and I) fail to realize how truly dangerous it really is (to both parties) to be violently subdued.

Definitely...which is why I try real hard to be patient and understanding in my attempts to explain it. I don't blame people for not knowing...in fact, I wish they would understand how lucky they are that they don't have to know all the things we've learned in the process of protecting their livelihoods.