Jehovah of the Old testament became Jesus of the New.

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[BlindSeeker]

To find out your answer. What is your point in not answering it?

because I am not sure.

I am not sure if the thrones spoken of in I Kings and Chronicles and Psalm is the same as the Great White Throne in Rev 20.

I can it is not really a subject I have every studied.

There are thrones in heaven and there is THE throne in heaven.

THE throne is the throne of grace, the throne of God, the great white throne, the throne with thunders & lightning proceeding forth from it, etc. That's the throne of God. There is only one throne of God, and in Revelation it is Jesus whom sits upon it.

So, if Jesus sit on the throne and He sits on the right hand of God the Father, is it a bench-style throne or is the Father standing?

[BlindSeeker]

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[traveller]

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[HAZARD]

Questions asked asked?

"So, if Jesus sit on the throne and He sits on the right hand of God the Father, is it a bench-style throne or is the Father standing?

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Talk about the blind leading the blind?

"Let them alone: they be blind leaders of the blind. And if the blind lead the blind, both shall fall into the ditch" (Matt. 15:14).

Instead of searching the Scriptures some blindly go ahead and they mock God at their own peril attempting to get a cheep laugh? "

A brutish man knoweth not; neither doth a fool understand this" (Psl. 92:6).

"It is as sport to a fool to do mischief: but a man of understanding hath wisdom" (Proverbs 10:23).

"Every prudent man dealeth with knowledge: but a fool layeth open his folly" (Proverbs 13:16).

"If there are two God's why is there only one throne?

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Here is a scripture which mentions two thrones; Jesus mentions His and His fathers throne in the one Scripture.

"To him that overcometh will I grant to sit with me in my throne, even as I also overcame, and am set down with my Father in his throne" (Rev. 3:21).

Only a fool would deny Christ, the Word who was God and was with God the Father and who became flesh. And only a fool would deny Christ now who sits at His Fathers right hand in Heaven when the Scriptures clearly teach this fact.

"But whosoever shall deny me before men, him will I also deny before my Father which is in heaven" (Matthew 10:33).

God the Father is a spirit being and always remaind a spirit being in Heaven; " But whosoever shall deny me before men, him will I also deny before my Father which is in heaven" (Matt. 10:33), whilst Christ was on the earth. "God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth" (John 4:24).

Jesus was resurrected in His glorified flesh and bone body; "Behold my hands and my feet, that it is I myself: handle me, and see; for a spirit hath not flesh and bones, as ye see me have" (Luke 24:39).

Many Scriptures teach that God rules from His Throne in Heaven, and Jesus now sits at the Fathers right hand; " Now of the things which we have spoken this is the sum: We have such an high priest, who is set on the right hand of the throne of the Majesty in the heavens; (Hebrews 8:1).

"Looking unto Jesus the author and finisher of our faith; who for the joy that was set before him endured the cross, despising the shame, and is set down at the right hand of the throne of God" (Hebrews 12:2).

"To him that overcometh will I grant to sit with me in my throne, even as I also overcame, and am set down with my Father in his throne" (Rev. 3:21). Here Christ mentions His Throne and the fact that it is set down next to His Fathers Throne. And we that overcome are granted to sit with Christ as He sits with His Father.

"So then after the Lord had spoken unto them, he was received up into heaven, and sat on the right hand of God" (Mark 16:19).

"Hereafter shall the Son of man sit on the right hand of the power of God" (Luke 22:69).

The Father, in Heaven raised up Jesus who died on the cross and who was buried in the Earth for three days and three nights.

"Therefore being a prophet, and knowing that God had sworn with an oath to him, that of the fruit of his loins, according to the flesh, he would raise up Christ to sit on his throne;" (Acts 2:30).

[Guest shiloh357]

We should also remember that these same Jews rejected Jesus as the Son of God

Yes some did, but not all. Your point is irrelevant since some did.

then you can tell me that not one single Jewish person agrees with the Doctrine of the Trinity?

if not, then your point is irrelevant also, we have to have equal standards after all

My point is not irrelevant since it is historical fact and valid translation of scriptures.

Plus, your missing the whole point of the post. The purpose was to show that in order to communicate the scriptures to those captives who were forbidden to speak there native tongue and could no longer understand the scriptures in Hebrew that it was translated for them in Aramaic . . . and as you can see, it is lacking the plurality of a compound nature in reference to God.

Did you already know of about the Aramaic Targum of Jonathan Ben Uzziel?

Were you aware of what it said?

I think if you are truly seeking to know and understand the truth you would be grateful for another source to prayerfully consider when reasoning your own English translation.

The Targums are paraphrases not an actual translations. I have studied both Targum Jonathon and Targum Onkelos. They are based on the limited knowledge that Jews had of God, and while the give insight into how Jews perceived things in ancient times, they are by no means accurate in their entirety.

The Targums are like what the Living Bible and the "Message" Bibles are to us today. They are parphrases based on how one person views the meaning of the text. In the Targums, as well as modern paraphrases, the text is at the mercy of the one doing the parphrase. The Targum is not like the Septuigent which was the work of multiple scholars over many years.

The Bible we have NEVER claims that angels have creative ability AND the Bible never claims that the Father even was talking to the angels. It really doesn't matter that the ancient Jews might have believed that. It is the Bible; not the Jews, not the Targum, but the Bible, which is the plumline and the final arbiter on all matters of Christian faith and practice and so far any assertion that God the Father was speaking to the angels fails the test of biblical validity.

The Bible is abundantly clear that Jesus is the creator of the universe.

[BlindSeeker]

Plus, your missing the whole point of the post. The purpose was to show that in order to communicate the scriptures to those captives who were forbidden to speak there native tongue and could no longer understand the scriptures in Hebrew that it was translated for them in Aramaic . . . and as you can see, it is lacking the plurality of a compound nature in reference to God.

are you saying that this translation is the correct one?

I cannot say either way, can you? I can tell you it was written to meet a massive need to make available the Scriptures to fellow countrymen who could no longer read it. Plus, those who translated it spoke both the language it was written in as well as the one it was translated to. It may very well be the first translation of Scripture into another language, would not the Holy Spirit of God be as overseeing of such a labor for the preservation of its content as you would expect Him to be in our English translation??

are you suggesting that the English translation is not sufficient?

Is any translation, or even the original sufficient?

2Co 3:14 But their minds were blinded: for until this day remaineth the same vail untaken away in the reading of the old testament; which vail is done away in Christ.

As Charles Spurgeon once said, "To what avail if the loudest declaration or the clearest revelation to one who is spiritual deaf and blind? If God the Holy Ghost does not illuminate the heart of man, then all the suns in the Milky Way never will."

[BlindSeeker]

and I have learned to be careful on here how I answer things, in the last week I have been accused of being the cause of people going to hell and of Polytheism among other things. I guess you can call me gun shy

LOL been there, experienced that.

[BlindSeeker]

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Ah come on trav . . . SPEEDUP!!!!!

uh-oh

quick!

[BlindSeeker]

I cannot say either way, can you? I can tell you it was written to meet a massive need to make available the Scriptures to fellow countrymen who could no longer read it. Plus, those who translated it spoke both the language it was written in as well as the one it was translated to. It may very well be the first translation of Scripture into another language, would not the Holy Spirit of God be as overseeing of such a labor for the preservation of its content as you would expect Him to be in our English translation??

you assume the Holy Spirit of God was overseeing this work. you cant really know for sure.

Are you assuming He wasn't?

I do know God is not willing that any perish and that He sends His word to heal us . . .

I just know I should prayerfully consider all the things that both challenge and support of my beliefs and understanding that I may have true faith.

Ac 17:11 These were more noble than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness of mind, and searched the scriptures daily, whether those things were so.

1Th 5:21 Prove all things; hold fast that which is good.

I say the Bible is sufficient, because of the Holy Spirit.

Which Bible?