Question for fellow believers

[Mom2Many]

If I put this in the wrong place I apologize. But I do have a question for all the fellow believers' in Christ out there.

What I don't understand is how someone can call themselves a Christian and say they follow the Bible, believe in it and yet still support Pro-choice and homosexuality?? I do understand that we are supposed to love others' as Christ would, but loving them and supporting and backing up choices that are obviously not Biblical are two different things to me??

Thank you all who can help me out here!

[Wayfarer122]

I see this, too. Killing our children and homosexuality are both sins, but there are people who are caught up in the lies of the world.

The world calls preborn children "fetus'" and tells us that they "don't know when life begins." Christians who don't have the discernment to see throgh the ruse are led astray.

Also, young Christians who aren't bible-literate are easily fooled by people who tell us that the translation in Romans where Paul spells out the sin of homosexuality in big, bold letters, so-to-speak, is imperfect. They choose to ignore the fact that the rest of the bible supports what is clearly portrayed in Romans. I've heard the "Well, the translation..." line as an excuse for every sin imaginable. I'm currently praying for a dear sister who has been duped by this and is living the homosexual lifestyle. God will touch her heart and give her the strength to turn away from this sin.

[kross]

Because one is about how to live your life and the other is politics.

Our country was founded on the idea of total freedom that could not be hampered by any government action other than the extent of invading someone elses freedoms.

I do not condone murdering babies, but when you live in a society fulll of people who will murder their babies, there is a greater concern than what the law says. I am not against the repeal of this bad law, I just think it would be pointless.

I do not condone Homosexual activity, but peple have a right to make those choices for themselves. Since our society has established certain benefits for those who are in a contractual relationship, then it is not right that i should decide who can and can not avail themselves of those benefits. Again, we do not have a problem with Homosexual Marriage, we have a deeper spiritual problem that needs to be addressed so they would not want to be married in the first place.

In my personal life, I do not condone sin. In my position as an american who believes in what our founding fathers established, I do not believe in discrimination or favoratism.

I wish we were not a society of people who would kill their own babies, but at this point in our history, the law of the land reflects our social norms.

One of our founding fathers said," we have gambled our future on our ability as a nation to follow the ten commandments with all of our hearts" because they understood that the government they established was one that had no power to control the moral course of the nation.

I believe in tht government and in what this country is supposed to be. If Christians would offer love that looked like love to people, then the country could be changed by the spread of the gospel and the laws of the nation would not matter because the law of love would prevail.

[Mom2Many]

I don't think I really made my question clear.

I don't understand how someone can say they are a Bible believing Christian and then say abortion or homosexuality is ok. I've heard many Christian's lately say they support Pro-Choice and they are in favor of homosexual marriages and I just don't understand how someone can be a Christian and still be in favor of those things that are clearly unbiblical??

[Lomi]

If I put this in the wrong place I apologize. But I do have a question for all the fellow believers' in Christ out there.

What I don't understand is how someone can call themselves a Christian and say they follow the Bible, believe in it and yet still support Pro-choice and homosexuality?? I do understand that we are supposed to love others' as Christ would, but loving them and supporting and backing up choices that are obviously not Biblical are two different things to me??

Thank you all who can help me out here!

Dear m2m

Please Note this is what I believe in.

I believe that if I call myself a Christian than I will follow & do what CHRIST did. Homosexuality is from satan. GOD created Adam & Eve, and not Adam & Steve. GOD says love one another as I love you. Yes, that is right. I don't have to like or aprove or agree with what people prefer, However if you are a Christian, please do not conform yourself to the standard of this world. I will and always be against homosecuality as well as abortion. Abortion is a better name for mudering / killing an innocent child.

So Christians that support these things needs to have a reality check. I rest my case.

PS. I have been called several times, "You're to blunt".

[Guest shiloh357]

I don't think I really made my question clear.

I don't understand how someone can say they are a Bible believing Christian and then say abortion or homosexuality is ok. I've heard many Christian's lately say they support Pro-Choice and they are in favor of homosexual marriages and I just don't understand how someone can be a Christian and still be in favor of those things that are clearly unbiblical??

Mom2Many,

It is primarily because there are those who claim Christianity, but do so on their terms. They are "Christians" but have reserved the right to define the parameters of what their brand of "Christianity" looks like. What is worse is that they have attempted to force us accept them as genuine Christians and followers of Christ.

Because they do not see the Bible as infallible nor inerrant, they believe it provides them with a platform to challenge the Bible's value system. Truth are morality, to them are relative concepts. Theycan mentally assent to the values within the Christian faith they believe they can live with because they have no real guide for what is right and wrong and for that reason, they have no frame of reference from which to understand truth.

Without the Bible as the infallible, inerrant Word of God and without God as the source of all truth and the universal moral lawgiver and judge, there is standard for determining truth and no recurring sense of what is right and what is wrong.

For too long, we have allowed those outside of our faith define us. There are many people who assent to the Christian "religion" but do not follow Christ, do not share His values or see any need to regard His word as the final arbiter on all matters of Christian faith and practice.

[Mom2Many]

Thanks all for your reply!

Your right Char, I wasn't sure where I should put this. But the outer court would probally have gotten some reasons from the "other side of the coin".

I must say, I myself do not in any shape or form support or believe in either of these things myself. I have to agree that abortion is just a fancy word to cover up the truth of what it really is and homosexuality goes against all of God's plan for marriage and let's see he did say "Be fruitful and multiply", so....kinda difficult to uphold that purpose if we support homosexuality.

Colbalt- I can't speak for Shiloh, but I do believe we have and should love the person despite their sin. It's the sin we have to hate and turn away from.

[kross]

I don't think I really made my question clear.

I don't understand how someone can say they are a Bible believing Christian and then say abortion or homosexuality is ok. I've heard many Christian's lately say they support Pro-Choice and they are in favor of homosexual marriages and I just don't understand how someone can be a Christian and still be in favor of those things that are clearly unbiblical??

I think that was my point. Being anti homosexual behavior and being supportive of discrimination against homosexuals is two different issues. One is a personal belief, the other is trying to force your belief on someone else. You should believe homosexual activity is a sin, you should not try to force discriminating policies on someone just because they do not share your belief.

Yes, I believe a marriage is between a man and a woman, but what I blieve does not have anything to do with what someone else believes. I am not for or against homosexuals being contractually linked for the purpose of sharing their benefits. I do not care if they marry of not. It does not effect me or what i preach or teach.

If someone murders their baby because it is inconvenient, that is unfortunate. BUt the state of the woman who would murder her baby is more of a concern to me than the murdered baby. Can we change the law and stop it from happening? No. Can we spread the gospel of JESUS to the country and stop it from happening? Yes.

I am not pro-choice. But I am a realist and i am more concerned with doing what JESUS showed us to do than I am in getting caught up in actions that do not have an eternal impact.

[Wayfarer122]

The political action side of this question is something I didn't respond to initially because I wasn't sure if that was included in your question, but I'm guessing from the responses that it is.

As citizens we have a duty to protect the personal safety of the people in our country with our votes. Abortion kills people who live here, so we need to enact legislation that protects these people, even if they're small and they don't look like "us."

We also have a duty to discern what's best for our nation as a whole and reflect that in our votes. The right of someone to hold a job in the public and for-profit sector based on whether or not they practice sinful behavior is essential. (This means sinful behavior that doesn't endanger others, etc.) Homosexuals are denied this right in certain states. This issue is widely overlooked and it shouldn't be.

Homosexual marriage is another issue altogether. We need to look at this behavior and ask ourselves, "Is this something we want to promote? Is it good for our society?" In the past, we did that with marriage and traditional families. Laws were passed to offer tax-breaks to married couples to promote the stability and strength that our country benefits from as a result of traditional families. So we need to ask ourselves, "Is homosexual marriage good for our society?"

Additionally, we need to look at the other ramifications of a proposed homosexual marriage law. Will businesses be required to offer benefits to homosexual partners? What about contract marriages and temporary living-together arrangements for others? Businesses extend benefits to spouses and children, not out of the goodness of their hearts, but because stable, traditional marriages contribute to the stability and performance of employees. Are there mandates in line behind homosexual marriages that will dictate who employers must provide benefits to? I think there are. This is a real can of worms. As Christians, we have a unique world-view that should be central to our votes. We see God as someone who allows us our free-will and that is reflected in our view of governmental authority, but we also have a responsibility to look beyond our hands-off approach to personal choices and cast our vote in the best interest of our country.

[kross]

I don't think I really made my question clear.

I don't understand how someone can say they are a Bible believing Christian and then say abortion or homosexuality is ok. I've heard many Christian's lately say they support Pro-Choice and they are in favor of homosexual marriages and I just don't understand how someone can be a Christian and still be in favor of those things that are clearly unbiblical??

I think that was my point. Being anti homosexual behavior and being supportive of discrimination against homosexuals is two different issues. One is a personal belief, the other is trying to force your belief on someone else. You should believe homosexual activity is a sin, you should not try to force discriminating policies on someone just because they do not share your belief.

Yes, I believe a marriage is between a man and a woman, but what I blieve does not have anything to do with what someone else believes. I am not for or against homosexuals being contractually linked for the purpose of sharing their benefits. I do not care if they marry of not. It does not effect me or what i preach or teach.

If someone murders their baby because it is inconvenient, that is unfortunate. BUt the state of the woman who would murder her baby is more of a concern to me than the murdered baby. Can we change the law and stop it from happening? No. Can we spread the gospel of JESUS to the country and stop it from happening? Yes.

I am not pro-choice. But I am a realist and i am more concerned with doing what JESUS showed us to do than I am in getting caught up in actions that do not have an eternal impact.

Excuse me? The murdered baby's life is equally as important as the mother's life.

As for homosexual marriage, whether you support it or not, if you do not speak out against it, if you vote for a candidate that will encourage it or attempt to legalize it, then you are supporting that sin. Sin is sin, it is not a difference of "issues."

Everything you mentioned has an eternal impact.

I don't vote, so we can take that off the table. The eternal issue of the state of a mother who would kill her baby is more important to me than the physical life of either of them. Sorry if that view is wrong in your eyes. I am called to save souls and preach JESUS, to love sinners, to care for the widows and orphans, to feed the hungry and house the homeless and cloth the naked in an effort to show them JESUS.

I do not get caught up in the temporary. I try to keep my focus on the eternal.