JESUS = Rabi?

[KC02]

shiloh wrote:

The title of "Rabbi" is an earned academic title.

First thanks for an interesting post. It got me thinking and searching. I can't confirm that "Rabbi" is an academic title in the 1st century. Can you source it?

Every article I find casts doubt on that:

http://www.followtherabbi.com/Brix?pageID=2753

http://www.wildolive.co.uk/Rabbi%20Jesus.htm

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-religion/1980197/posts

http://protestantism.suite101.com/article....he_jewish_rabbi

How about Mat 9:20? The word hem could be translated as "tassel." If Jesus wore the traditional blue (?) robe with the tassels that would seem to support your viewpoint.

Interesting in any case!

Do you know of any great books or websites on the culture of 1st century Jews for us gentiles?

[Guest HIS girl]

Do you know of any great books or websites on the culture of 1st century Jews for us gentiles?

I really hope this is NOT said in a mocking tone, as Shiloh has shared quite a lot of his knowledge to us here over the years.

[Guest shiloh357]

First thanks for an interesting post. It got me thinking and searching. I can't confirm that "Rabbi" is an academic title in the 1st century. Can you source it?

First of all, let's use a little common sense. Rabbis in the first century had three basic responsibilities:

1. Teacher of the Law in the Beit Hamidrash (house of study).

2. Legislate laws and traditions for the community.

3. Judiciate on a Bet Din (house of judgment) and resolve legal disputes between multiple parties.

Rabbis were not pastors or preachers. They served a different role in the 1st century than they do today, generally speaking. During the first century, synagogues were not like churches. They were not places of worship, but places of study. Worship was done everyday at the temple.

Everything the Rabbi did, all of his responsibilities were "academic" in nature. These were not responsibilities that could be assigned to just anyone. I think it goes without saying that these responsibilities would have to be handled by those who can demonstrate that they have the training, and expertise in such fields of endeavor. How would you gain the training and qualifications needed for academically based vocations if not in school?

Rabbis, all Rabbis had disciples. Rabbi Akiva was purported to have had 24,000 disciples at one time. Hillel, Israel's greatest sage and the head of the Sanhedrin also had his own academy and there is reason to believe that one of His students (discples) was Gamaliel, who was the teacher of Paul.

In ancient times, Rabbis had secular vocations in addition to being Rabbis, Hillel was a wood cutter, Shammai was a builder, other ancient Rabbis were blacksmiths, wine tasters, water carriers, tailors, butchers, and general retail merchants. Paul was a tent maker, Jesus was carpenter, etc. Jesus was in every way consistent with the other Rabbis of His day.

Every article I find casts doubt on that:

http://www.followtherabbi.com/Brix?pageID=2753

http://www.wildolive.co.uk/Rabbi%20Jesus.htm

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-religion/1980197/posts

http://protestantism.suite101.com/article....he_jewish_rabbi

I don't see where they cast doubt on what I have said. I don't even see where they address the issue directly at all.

How about Mat 9:20? The word hem could be translated as "tassel." If Jesus wore the traditional blue (?) robe with the tassels that would seem to support your viewpoint.

Not really. All of the children of Israel were expected to wear those tassels. That was reserved only for Rabbis.

[Guest]

So, I am wondering, how many Orthodox, believing Christians believe that JESUS was part of an organized religion that gave HIM authority to preach in the temple?

Oh Nooooo

From Heaven With Love

The LORD Jesus Christ Was Sent To Finish His Father's Work

Jesus saith unto them, My meat is to do the will of him that sent me, and to finish his work John 4:34

Jesus Of Nazareth Is The Master And We Are But Brothers

But be not ye called Rabbi: for one is your Master, even Christ; and all ye are brethren.

And call no man your father upon the earth: for one is your Father, which is in heaven.

Neither be ye called masters: for one is your Master, even Christ. Matthew 23:8-10

And We Sit At The Feet Of Him Called Wonderful

For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder:

and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counseller, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace. Isaiah 9:6

And It Is No Secret We Love Him So

We love him, because he first loved us. 1 John 4:19

For He Is Salvation

Jesus

Daddy's Joy

Straight Down From His Holy Father Above

And he said unto them, How is it that ye sought me? wist ye not that I must be about my Father's business? Luke 2:49

The Holy One Of Israel Was Born Below

Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call his name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, God with us. Matthew 1:23

And By His Blood The Curse Is Broken

He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil. 1 John 3:8

So We Honor God's Warrior Son

The Spirit of the Lord is upon me, because he hath anointed me to preach the gospel to the poor; he hath sent me to heal the brokenhearted, to preach deliverance to the captives, and recovering of sight to the blind, to set at liberty them that are bruised, Luke 4:18

Believing In The Risen One

Then saith he to Thomas, reach hither thy finger, and behold my hands; and reach hither thy hand, and thrust it into my side: and be not faithless, but believing.

And Thomas answered and said unto him, My Lord and my God. John 20:27-28

Our Kinsmen-Redeemer

Herein is love, not that we loved God, but that he loved us, and sent his Son to be the propitiation for our sins. 1 John 4:10

God Among Us

Jesus

Be Blessed Beloved Of The KING

The LORD bless thee, and keep thee:

The LORD make his face shine upon thee, and be gracious unto thee:

The LORD lift up his countenance upon thee, and give thee peace. Numbers 6:24-26

And they shall put my name upon the children of Israel; and I will bless them. Numbers 6:27

Love, Your Brother Joe

For I know that my redeemer liveth, and that he shall stand at the latter day upon the earth: Job 19:25

For thy Maker is thine husband; the LORD of hosts is his name; and thy Redeemer the Holy One of Israel; The God of the whole earth shall he be called. Isaiah 54:5

Kiss the Son, lest he be angry, and ye perish from the way, when his wrath is kindled but a little. Blessed are all they that put their trust in him. Psalms 2:12

And it shall come to pass, that whosoever shall call on the name of the LORD shall be delivered: for in mount Zion and in Jerusalem shall be deliverance, as the LORD hath said, and in the remnant whom the LORD shall call. Joel 2:32

Behold, his soul which is lifted up is not upright in him: but the just shall live by his faith. Habakkuk 2:4

[Guest Biblicist]

This is fascinating, Shiloh.

Can you handle all of the questions? Maybe you could tell us where you learned it, and we could learn it too.

The truth is that the Pharisees comprised of nine orders and tens of thousands in number were the largest religious sect in 1st century Israel and the only one to survive the destruction of the temple in 70 AD. In fact, modern Judaism is what Pharisaism turned into after the destruction of the Temple.

What do you mean by nine orders? Did they all agree 100% with the teachings of the Bible? Were they just in different areas, or were they nine different ones because there were things they could not agree on?

Christians really, really need to be more in touch with the historical context of Scripture.

[KC02]

Nope. I come here to learn. I am looking for a book that teaches on the 1st century Jewish customs and culture. What little I have learned so far really does make the NT come alive. The Biblical writers did not add much background information.

Actually, I have a ton of questions for Shiloh and appreciate his knowledge. However I verify nearly everything that could change my Christian Worldview. We can't adopt every doctrine and belief we read on the internet!

Do you know of any great books or websites on the culture of 1st century Jews for us gentiles?

I really hope this is NOT said in a mocking tone, as Shiloh has shared quite a lot of his knowledge to us here over the years.

Edited October 19, 2008 by KC02

[Guest HIS girl]

Nope. I come here to learn. I am looking for a book that teaches in the 1st century Jewish customs and culture. What little I have learned so far really does make the NT come alive. The Biblical writers did not add much background information.

Actually, I have a ton of questions for Shiloh and appreciate his knowledge. However I verify nearly everything that could change my Christian Worldview. We can't adopt every doctrine and belief we read on the internet!

Do you know of any great books or websites on the culture of 1st century Jews for us gentiles?

I really hope this is NOT said in a mocking tone, as Shiloh has shared quite a lot of his knowledge to us here over the years.

Sure.

I'll have to get the name of this book that my bro in-law reads along side the Bible. It's about the Israelites and the times, customs, Culture etc and it really brings the Bible to life.

[traveller]

Nope. I come here to learn. I am looking for a book that teaches on the 1st century Jewish customs and culture. What little I have learned so far really does make the NT come alive. The Biblical writers did not add much background information.

Actually, I have a ton of questions for Shiloh and appreciate his knowledge. However I verify nearly everything that could change my Christian Worldview. We can't adopt every doctrine and belief we read on the internet!

Do you know of any great books or websites on the culture of 1st century Jews for us gentiles?

I really hope this is NOT said in a mocking tone, as Shiloh has shared quite a lot of his knowledge to us here over the years.

Absolutely brother. We much carefully study and guard what goes into our hearts and minds.

2Ti 2:15 Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.

I do think we should know the culture and the background in order to have a deeper understanding. It doesnt' take away from the gospel if we don't know these things, for the Lord presents us with the truth in simplicity. However, there are so many deeper understandings and it's pure joy to search them out!

I have dear friends on this site that present many things, some of which are unfamiliar to me as I have not studied those particular areas. Even so, I do not take them at their word, but becasue of my trust in them, I consider these things. In the end, it is we who are responsible for our own knowledge, as encouraged and guided by the Holy Spirit.

[Guest Biblicist]

Sweet Trav!

We much carefully study and guard what goes into our hearts and minds.

I very much believe that too!

[Guest HIS girl]

Sweet Trav!

We much carefully study and guard what goes into our hearts and minds.

I very much believe that too!

Of course, agreed : )