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This surprises anyone, why? :(

Great General, bad Politician. :laugh:

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Powell Defends Affermative Action

Can we really believe that his choice is NOT based on color?

And can we really be surprised at his decision?

Maybe he didn't abandon his values, maybe these were his values all along. :th_praying:

Again, yes, you are belittling him by positing that his choice is based on color.

I support affirmative action, and my support for Obama is not based on the fact that he is black.

It does not seem strange to you that he has supported, and worked with THREE Republican presidents, and now is supporting a Liberal candidate? :)

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Maybe he was a liberal all along, and simply lied. Which is worse.

It doesn't seem weird, no, because he told us exactly what made him make his decision. The economy, the tenor of the campaigns, and the fact that he sees Obama as being inclusive. I mean, are you saying that only a white conservative or moderate who chooses to break party lines is without suspicion and/or racially justified?


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It is beyond hypocrisy for libs to be so happy about this endorsement. They hate Colin Powell...or rather they did until this endorsement. I guarantee you that if Powell had endorsed McCain ALL you would hear about is his ties to the Bush Whitehouse...how he lied in the run-up to the war...how he covered up Iran/Contra...was involved in the Vietnam massacre at Mai Lai...etc..

Now that he's endorsed Obama he's regarded as an intelligent man with years of service to the country. The way I see it...Obama just got an endorsement from a guy who the liberals accused of terrorism and murder. Just add Powell to the list of Obama's shady friends I guess...lol.

Lame attempt at a joke, Axx. I feel about Powell the way a lot of other Democrats feel -- that he's a good man that got caught up in the whole convoluted war charge. There were definitely initial feelings of betrayal after the information he presented to the security council turned up erroneous (yellowcake, anyone?), but Powell became openly critical of the war push and admitted his deep shame about it. There are fewer hard feelings than you think.

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It has become clear to me that he was not conservative at all. He just worked for, and with, conservatives.

Some may have believed he was, but obviously he was not.


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Powell Defends Affermative Action

Can we really believe that his choice is NOT based on color?

And can we really be surprised at his decision?

Maybe he didn't abandon his values, maybe these were his values all along. :noidea:

Again, yes, you are belittling him by positing that his choice is based on color.

I support affirmative action, and my support for Obama is not based on the fact that he is black.

Can anyone tell me what a Christian would support Obama for? It certainly is not values, because he has none that are good. He opposes Christ in everything he does and believes. So a vote by a 'Christian' for Obama means that same person opposes the teachings of Christ.

Colin Powell used to have my admiration and respect. He lost it the minute he gave his support to Obama, because he showed me, at that point, what he actually stands for, and that is absolutely nothing good.

That's all quite shrill and exaggerated. The majority of Americans support Barack because they know he's right for America.

Now, about the topic.

For committed conservatives, Powell's endorsement of Obama will only lower their opinion of Powell, not boost their opinion of Obama. But this really doesn't matter, because it won't change who committed conservatives are voting for: McCain.

Moderates and independents DO matter, though. And in the eyes of most of them, this will boost Obama, particularly in his weakest area, national security.

This endorsement is huge, and may be the death knell of McCain, so expect Republicans to diminish it in any way they can. Expect charges of racism. Expect excuses of all kinds. Meanwhile, expect Obama to creep up in the polls.


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Lame attempt at a joke, Axx. I feel about Powell the way a lot of other Democrats feel -- that he's a good man that got caught up in the whole convoluted war charge. There were definitely initial feelings of betrayal after the information he presented to the security council turned up erroneous (yellowcake, anyone?), but Powell became openly critical of the war push and admitted his deep shame about it. There are fewer hard feelings than you think.

If this is a joke...I don't get it. Feelings of betrayal??? Whatever! How exactly did you or ANY liberal ever feel betrayed by Powell. He has been a OPEN RIVAL to liberals for most of his military and political career and you felt betrayed? I suggest you have NO IDEA what most democrats have felt about Coilin Powell and that because of this endorsement they will hypocritically forget all the ugly things they have attached to Powell and start propping him up as some sort of "maverick." Now thats funny!

Just last July, Bonnie Erbe wrote in USNews an article titled "Will the Coward Colin Powell Endorse Obama!" The Daily Kos called Powell a Coward. Powell has been vigorously attacked by everyone from Chris Matthews, David Fiderer, the Democratic Undergroud, the Huffington Post...basically name any of them and they have piled on to Powell for his ENTIRE CAREER. They've called him a terrorist and accused him of covering up murder..

Powell didn't become critical (or shameful) of the war until he was fired.


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Moderates and independents DO matter, though. And in the eyes of most of them, this will boost Obama, particularly in his weakest area, national security.

How does the endorsement of a man who "lied" in the run-up to war boost the weakness of Obama in the area of national security? Are we now to believe that the guy who covered up Iran/Contra...covered up the Mai Lai massacre in Vietnam...and lied to the UN Security Council is a BONUS in the area of national security? Of course thats the short list of "alleged" crimes attributed to Colin Powell while serving in the national security arena.

The same war that Obama opposes was built up and fought directly because of evidence that Colin Powell SOLD to Congress and the United Nations. Obama will cut his pastor, his friends and his former associations...but the guy that libs accuse of lying to fight an evil war...he's a boost to Obama...LOL!


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he is against everything that America stands for.

This is an exaggeration as well. Obama is certainly against much of what conservatives stand for, but don't conflate classic or neo-conservatism with the broad spectrum of thoughts and values in this country.

Be careful with blanket statements.

Obama may or may not be the candidate that God has willed for our country for the next term, and he would only be the "right" candidate in regards to that respect of it. However, God is not mocked. A vote for Obama on November 4th is a direct vote against Christ. A vote for Obama on November tells God, not anyone else, but God, directly, that the assertions of loving His Son are somewhat hollow.

Again, this is shrill and simplistic. Such statements are best prefaced with the phrase, "In my opinion..."

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Moderates and independents DO matter, though. And in the eyes of most of them, this will boost Obama, particularly in his weakest area, national security.

How does the endorsement of a man who "lied" in the run-up to war boost the weakness of Obama in the area of national security? Are we now to believe that the guy who covered up Iran/Contra...covered up the Mai Lai massacre in Vietnam...and lied to the UN Security Council is a BONUS in the area of national security? Of course thats the short list of "alleged" crimes attributed to Colin Powell while serving in the national security arena.

The same war that Obama opposes was built up and fought directly because of evidence that Colin Powell SOLD to Congress and the United Nations. Obama will cut his pastor, his friends and his former associations...but the guy that libs accuse of lying to fight an evil war...he's a boost to Obama...LOL!

The news today is that Colin Powell will have a job in an Obama administration.

Conflict of interest or unbiased endorsement?


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A vote for Obama on November 4th is a direct vote against Christ.

I feel like this claim revolves around abortion and gay rights. Now, you may have a point in stating that McCain is more 'anti' these things than Obama is (although it must be said that McCain has been pretty 'meh' about gay rights).

Obama is for affordable health care for all people. Currently there are a lot of people in this country who are unable to afford health care. Obama is focused on solving this, or at least making a push to give that option to all Americans. Is this a vote against Christ? Christ, the one who teaches to help feed the sick and the hungry, and to care for the poor and needy?

Obama is also for more communication between countries, and in my mind represents a new foreign policy direction for the country. Is this a vote against Christ? Would Christ support a restriction of communication with others? In my mind, no. I believe Christ would want to come to an understanding with those who view America as an enemy, and would focus on reaching a mutual agreement with other countries instead of always bullying them to do what we want.

Obama is calling for self sacrifice and hard work to raise America in terms of its strength. He is telling us that we can't just expect the country to get better, we have to work hard to achieve it. He is also telling us that we may need to make sacrifices about our way of life, if we want to help the country succeed. I agree with him, and I would imagine that Christ would feel the same way. Christ never focused on objects and things that much, he focused on people and the virtues that people possess. As Americans we are so wrapped up in buying things, and getting things that we often think that's all there is. I think that it would actually help our country if we focused on the things that really mattered, and avoided wasteful spending on useless items.

Perhaps to put it somewhat simply, I support Obama mostly because of his worldview. I think that he has a more inclusive world view when compared to McCain, and I honestly believe that we need that sort of leader in our country if we are ever going to be able to solve world problems along with other countries.

The truth is that there is no one in this election who follows Christ's teachings exactly. Whomever you vote for on November 4th will have at least one view that opposes Christ. If someone followed Christ exactly as a candidate, he/she would be Christ.

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