The Deity of Christ

[Guest shiloh357]

The Bible we hold contains everything we need to know.

So then why do you reject the virgin birth of Christ? The Bible clearly states that Jesus was born of a virgin, and yet that bit of knowledge, you cast aside.

He has preserved His word, He said He would, and if He said it, there is no way for it not to happen.

Which is curious since you imply that things may have been added to the text. Your belief that it is preserved is incongruant with your assertion that you have doubts about certain parts of the text.

How do you reconcile that?

[Guest shiloh357]

Last time I checked belief in the Virgin birth was not necessary for our Salvation.

That is not the issue. The issue bears on your claim that the Bible tells us all we need to know, and yet you turn around and reject a clear teaching in it. That is internally inconsistent.

You are confusing my comment. God

[Guest shiloh357]

Is belief in the Virgin birth required for our salvation?

The virgin birth of Christ stands at the heart of the Lord

[Botz]

Hi Mike. If I can suggest it, you will make things easier to follow if you use the quote box when quoting things that other people have written, I did not find it easy deciphering your answers to me (which I greatly appreciate).

The way to do this is to run the mouse over the words you want in a quote...this will highlight them (eg hold down left button) then go to the top of the open box and underneath where it says Fonts, you will see a quote bubble..left click, this will place the word 'quote in brackets either side of what you have high-lighted and low and behold when you eventually finish your post and put it up, the things in the quote box will be separate from your reply.

I will just concentrate on one thing at a time as it seems more beneficial and practical given the time factor.

Your first point.

For by (literally in) him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by (literally through)him, and for him:

As Isaiah says, and Christ confirms God is the creator. God created everything with Christ in mind. As the first born of creation Christ is the designated heir of all of creation, He is God

[Guest shiloh357]

Are we not made in the Image of God? Did not God declare His creation was,

[Guest shiloh357]

Jesus isn't God.

Yes, He is. If Jesus is not God, there is no salvation and no hope for mankind.

[Guest shiloh357]

I don't know. There is still nothing out there that can convince me that Jesus is God, especially with all of the verses that say otherwise.

Sorry, but there no verses that deny Jesus Deity. Jesus' Deity is well attested in both Old and New Testaments. The problem is that you don't want to be convinced. It is hardness of heart, not a lack of evidence that is at the root of your unbelief.

[Jacqueline]

this is how I explain to my brothers and sisters kids how God and Jesus is the same.

Grandmom is upchairs speaking to you. Sometimes you acknowledge her sometimes you don't.

So because nine out of ten you say well we didn't hear you she took the words she wanted to say to you and formed it into a person. Now she sented her word in the form of a person directly to you to speak what she wants to say. Because her words has been made into a human her words needs a name. Lets call her mom. As mom stands before you she speaks only what grandmom has directed her to say. In so you can't say that you didn't hear her. Because mom is from grandmom and is the words of grandmom she still is grandmom. separate yet still one. I hope that made sense to you.

God bless

Jacqueline

[Guest shiloh357]

I don't know. There is still nothing out there that can convince me that Jesus is God, especially with all of the verses that say otherwise.

Sorry, but there no verses that deny Jesus Deity. Jesus' Deity is well attested in both Old and New Testaments. The problem is that you don't want to be convinced. It is hardness of heart, not a lack of evidence that is at the root of your unbelief.

Jesus is divine, yes. But he is not God. He is God's Son. They are separate.

One cannot be Divine and not be God. Divinity speaks to essence. God is Divine. That is His essence. To say Jesus is Divine but not God is like saying "John is a man, but not Human." It is a logical impossibility.

This is something I have cited in the past concering the phrase "son of..."

In Jewish usage, the term

[Ovedya]

I don't know. There is still nothing out there that can convince me that Jesus is God, especially with all of the verses that say otherwise.

Sorry, but there no verses that deny Jesus Deity. Jesus' Deity is well attested in both Old and New Testaments. The problem is that you don't want to be convinced. It is hardness of heart, not a lack of evidence that is at the root of your unbelief.

Jesus is divine, yes. But he is not God. He is God's Son. They are separate.

One cannot be Divine and not be God. Divinity speaks to essence. God is Divine. That is His essence. To say Jesus is Divine but not God is like saying "John is a man, but not Human." It is a logical impossibility.

This is something I have cited in the past concering the phrase "son of..."

In Jewish usage, the term