signs of an Apostle

[Friarbob]

The things that mark an apostle---signs,wonders and miracles---were done among you with great perserverance.(2 Cor 12:12) just what were these signs and wonders? Did they pass away after the death of the apostles. are these the gifts of 1 Corinthians 12-14. and does this mean all these gifts passed away after the 1st century?

[kross]

The things that mark an apostle---signs,wonders and miracles---were done among you with great perserverance.(2 Cor 12:12) just what were these signs and wonders? Did they pass away after the death of the apostles. are these the gifts of 1 Corinthians 12-14. and does this mean all these gifts passed away after the 1st century?

There are people who will tell you the gifts are gone. There are people who will tell you all the gifts are still active.

I have been in churches where both of those statements could be proved. I have seen people healed, or at least made better, by prayer. I have seen provision that is very timely.

I believe the gifts are still active. I am not so sure I believe the office of Apostle is still active.

[Ovedya]

Friar,

Are you asking about hte gifts or whether the apostleship still exists in the church?

[Friarbob]

Friar,

Are you asking about hte gifts or whether the apostleship still exists in the church?

I am asking about the gifts because i already know that the office of apostle ceased with te death of the original 12 apostles.

[Teach]

Friar,

Are you asking about hte gifts or whether the apostleship still exists in the church?

i already know that the office of apostle ceased with te death of the original 12 apostles.

Hi Friar:

Could please tell where you get your scriptural reference for such a statement?

[EricH]

In the broad sense todays apostles would be those who are gifted at starting new ministries in unreached places (church planters, missionaries, etc.)

[Teach]

In the broad sense todays apostles would be those who are gifted at starting new ministries in unreached places (church planters, missionaries, etc.)

I agree.

The definition of an Apostle is not found in scripture, as far as I know. Some have contended that an Apostle is one that has witnessed the resurection of Christ. Yet nowhere in scripture does it say that Paul was around to witness on that third day.

In light of this scholars have surmised that Paul's vision on the road to Damascus was the witness needed to declare himself an Apostle. I think that is stretching the assumption in order to accomodate Paul's ministry.

I believe that Apostle is synonimous to Missionary, that later word not being used back then.

The Five fold Ministry Gifts of Eph. 4 are Gifts that are given to the Church or the Body for the edification (Building up, Discipling) of the Saints. The Church is in great need of these Gifts I think more today than ever. They are actually position of Leadership within the body designed and assigned for edification. They are actually callings that Jesus places on individuals inviting them to enter their ministry and partner with Him for such a cause.

This no lessens the calling with have as the redeemed to go into the world and make disciples of every nation, (The Great Commission).

However these 5 Gifts of Leadership carry much weight and responsability with them.

Ex. The Teacher will be judged more strickly for his ministry. Ja. (3:1)

Cheers

[Friarbob]

Friar,

Are you asking about hte gifts or whether the apostleship still exists in the church?

i already know that the office of apostle ceased with te death of the original 12 apostles.

Hi Friar:

Could please tell where you get your scriptural reference for such a statement?

qualifications of an apostle are given in Acts1:21-22 Therefore it is necessaryto coose one of the menwho have been with us the whole time the Lord Jesus went in and out among us,beginning from John's baptism to the time thaJesus was taken up from usfor one of these must become a witnesswith us of his resurrection. I think the the key qualification was he had to be an eyewitness of the ressurrected christ. the apostle paul met the resurrected christ on the damascus road. nobody living today can make the claim of seeing the ressurected christ in the flesh so to speak therefore there are no apostles today

[Ovedya]

Friar,

Are you asking about hte gifts or whether the apostleship still exists in the church?

i already know that the office of apostle ceased with te death of the original 12 apostles.

Hi Friar:

Could please tell where you get your scriptural reference for such a statement?

qualifications of an apostle are given in Acts1:21-22 Therefore it is necessaryto coose one of the menwho have been with us the whole time the Lord Jesus went in and out among us,beginning from John's baptism to the time thaJesus was taken up from usfor one of these must become a witnesswith us of his resurrection. I think the the key qualification was he had to be an eyewitness of the ressurrected christ. the apostle paul met the resurrected christ on the damascus road. nobody living today can make the claim of seeing the ressurected christ in the flesh so to speak therefore there are no apostles today

"And the wall of the city had twelve foundations, and on them the twelve names of the twelve apostles of the Lamb. " (Rev. 21:14)

There are only 12 foundations to the holy city. That is how we can be assured that there were/are only 12 apostles of the Lamb.

[irishcowboy]

I know others that have met Christ, in person, does that qualify them to be an Apostle?

how about the 7 year old boy that was in the process of drowning when he seen a hand in front of him, and when he grabbed it, ended up on the side of the pool with no one else there...... whos hand? the boy believes it was the hand of Christ, and the voice of Christ spoke to him........

how about the lady that was blind and seen Christ, several days prior to her going home? while she was spending time in the Hospital for her chemo and radiation treatments, she would go from room to room telling people of Christ and how they can become one of Christ's...... while there, her son would read from the Bible every day..... this lady stayed up, believed that no matter what happens with her life, that God is in control. being she has seen Christ, does that make her an Apostle?

A man, looked up and seen Christ, reached out and called out "Pull me up, pull me up.... Pull me up", layed down and drew his last breath.... this man loved Christ, and is a man of God.......

now, how many were there? there was 12, one passed on, one more taken in to the group, one more passed on, and another brought in.... how many others have been lost and gained?

I believe all the Gifts......ALL THE GIFTS.... are still in operation, no where have I found that any of them have been deleted, or taken away...... as for the offices? or title of an office? does it really matter? should we be concerned with what office or title we hold or with the advancement of Christ?

some will say that a person can obtain sainthood by having preformed certain things, such as a set number of miricles or healings or some other things.... others say that a person becomes a saint when they have accepted Christ...... neither things i have found in the Word either.....

anyways, the Holy Spirit will open a person up for such things when He is ready....

mike