Adopted then lost?

[Guest man]

So, if there is a scripture that states that GOD is going to blot a CHRISTIAN out of the book of life, I would truly love to see it.

When Christ is speaking to the church in Sardis, is He speaking to New Testament christians or Old Testament Saints?

HE is telling the NEW TESTAMENT SAINTS that they will not be blotted out of the book of life

No, He's warning them.

2 Be watchful, and strengthen the things which remain, that are ready to die, for I have not found your works perfect before God.

3 Remember therefore how you have received and heard; hold fast and repent. Therefore if you will not watch, I will come upon you as a thief, and you will not know what hour I will come upon you.

4 You have a few names even in Sardis who have not defiled their garments; and they shall walk with Me in white, for they are worthy.

5 He who overcomes shall be clothed in white garments, and I will not blot out his name from the Book of Life; but I will confess his name before My Father and before His angels.

[Guest man]

Which only means that they haven't gone back yet, unless they are posting after death. The passage in 1John deals with that as well.

Explain that.

The only way you can know that they will not be restored by GOD is if they are already dead. And you can not know if they were GOD's children previously (read 1JOHN 2:19)

Can someone be a partaker of the Holy Spirit without being a child of God?

[kross]

So, if there is a scripture that states that GOD is going to blot a CHRISTIAN out of the book of life, I would truly love to see it.

When Christ is speaking to the church in Sardis, is He speaking to New Testament christians or Old Testament Saints?

HE is telling the NEW TESTAMENT SAINTS that they will not be blotted out of the book of life

No, He's warning them.

2 Be watchful, and strengthen the things which remain, that are ready to die, for I have not found your works perfect before God.

3 Remember therefore how you have received and heard; hold fast and repent. Therefore if you will not watch, I will come upon you as a thief, and you will not know what hour I will come upon you.

4 You have a few names even in Sardis who have not defiled their garments; and they shall walk with Me in white, for they are worthy.

5 He who overcomes shall be clothed in white garments, and I will not blot out his name from the Book of Life; but I will confess his name before My Father and before His angels.

Back and forth, back and forth.

Read post 6 and 36

[kross]

Which only means that they haven't gone back yet, unless they are posting after death. The passage in 1John deals with that as well.

Explain that.

The only way you can know that they will not be restored by GOD is if they are already dead. And you can not know if they were GOD's children previously (read 1JOHN 2:19)

Can someone be a partaker of the Holy Spirit without being a child of God?

I am not sure, but I am 99% the answer is NO

[kross]

So, if there is a scripture that states that GOD is going to blot a CHRISTIAN out of the book of life, I would truly love to see it.

When Christ is speaking to the church in Sardis, is He speaking to New Testament christians or Old Testament Saints?

HE is telling the NEW TESTAMENT SAINTS that they will not be blotted out of the book of life

No, He's warning them.

2 Be watchful, and strengthen the things which remain, that are ready to die, for I have not found your works perfect before God.

3 Remember therefore how you have received and heard; hold fast and repent. Therefore if you will not watch, I will come upon you as a thief, and you will not know what hour I will come upon you.

4 You have a few names even in Sardis who have not defiled their garments; and they shall walk with Me in white, for they are worthy.

5 He who overcomes shall be clothed in white garments, and I will not blot out his name from the Book of Life; but I will confess his name before My Father and before His angels.

Curiosity, at what point is it that you believe a person's name is removed from the book of life?

[Guest man]

Curiosity, at what point is it that you believe a person's name is removed from the book of life?

That depends on the heart of the individual.

Remember, I once told you, not all believers make it into the Kingdom.

If one continues to walk in disobedience and ignores the Truth of the Word, the chances of their name being removed is pretty good.

That's how I see it.

[Guest man]

What are your thoughts concerning this?

As I continue to explain, a warning does not imply a possibility.

Then why give a warning?

Becaue the warnings teach us. I explained that.

No, they actually don't.

If I believe the warning is meaningless, what have I learned?

If He warns us to toe the line or He will do this or that, and we say within ourselves, "No He won't", have we actually learned anything?

If one has no fear of the warnings that come from God, then that person is walking blind.

[Botz]

Hebrews 3:12 Take care, brethren, that there not be in any one of you an evil, unbelieving heart that falls away from the living God. 13 But encourage one another day after day, as long as it is still called

[Dave123]

Revelataion 13:8 All who dwell on the earth will worship him, whose names have not been written in the Book of Life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.

17:8 The beast that you saw was, and is not, and will ascend out of the bottomless pit and go to perdition. And those who dwell on the earth will marvel, whose names are not written in the Book of Life from the foundation of the world, when they see the beast that was, and is not, and yet is.

We have two absolutes here. The first implied and supported through-out scripture. Ephesians 1:4 being one place. The second clearly stated. The names who are written in the book of life and the names who are not written in the book of life are both from the foundations of the world. Think about the implications of that.

Dave

Edited December 14, 2008 by Dave123

[Guest man]

Revelataion 13:8 All who dwell on the earth will worship him, whose names have not been written in the Book of Life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.

17:8 The beast that you saw was, and is not, and will ascend out of the bottomless pit and go to perdition. And those who dwell on the earth will marvel, whose names are not written in the Book of Life from the foundation of the world, when they see the beast that was, and is not, and yet is.

What I see is that the Book of life is from the foundation of the world.

I know you see different, but that's what I see.

We have two absolutes here. The first implied and supported through-out scripture. Ephesians 1:4 being one place. The second clearly stated. The names who are written in the book of life and the names who are not written in the book of life are both from the foundations of the world.

For your statement to be true, the following verses would need to be false.

John 3

16 For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life.

17 For God did not send His Son into the world to condemn the world, but that the world through Him might be saved.

2 Peter 3

9 The Lord is not slack concerning His promise, as some count slackness, but is longsuffering toward us, not willing that any should perish but that all should come to repentance.

Ezekiel 33

11 Say to them: