I chose JESUS

[Guest]

So, your understanding is that the call and convictin of the HOLY SPIRIT can fail to convict.

No, but it can be resisted. Many people reject God and/or His will in the midst of conviction.

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Again, he limiteth a certain day, saying in David, To day, after so long a time; as it is said, To day if ye will hear his voice, harden not your hearts. Hebrews 4:7

[kross]

That is singularly the spupidest thing I ever read. I am supposed to respond to what you say without respoinding in accordance to how I understand what you say. So I am supposed to repond to spmething that is not what I have understood. DUH?

The problem is that you making things up and attributing to me things that are not even remotely close to what I have said. It is not a case of you responding to how you understand me. You are putting words in my mouth and telling me that I believe in humanism, or that I think God left salvation up to chance, none of which I said or implied and could not gleaned from anything I have said. The only answer is that you choose to misrepresent what I have said in act of desparation, as it is apparent that you are bereft of anything to say that is actually matieral to the conversation. These kind of dishonest tactics of yours are more a sign of desparation than anything else.

I am sorry that you take everyhting as some kind of perswonal attack. I am just voicing how I understand what you say.

No you are attributing to me things that don't even come close to anything I have posted. You either cannot approach this honestly, or you have problems with reading comprhension.

I do not think GOD left my salvation up to me.

I don't think he did either. Salvation is a work of God, not the product of your effort. If God left salvation up to us, none of us would be saved, as none us of are good enough or wise enough or powerful enough to engineer the plan of redemption.

HE went out of HIS way to make sure I responded to HIM.

Everyone who hears the gospel responds. They either say yes or no.

HE loves me enough to not allow my salvation to be left to chance.

No one said he left it up to chance. He presents you with His gift. There is nothing "chance" about it.

You assert that HE doesnt do what is needed to save everyone HE wants saved. I do not agree.

Where did I assert that? I said that if we assume your position is correct, God has already decided who is or is not saved. That was decided long before the earth was created, according to you. So God does not have to go to some herculean effort to see you get saved, if your position is true.

God HAS done everthing He needed to do to make salvation avaialable to all.

You are correct, GOD simply alters the will of those who HE is going to save. It is not a herculean effort at all. HE prepares them like a farmer prepares the ground to recieve the seed.

If it is HIS will that all people be saved, HE would do this with all people.

HE did not just present me with HIS gift. HE orchestrated my life and prepared me in such a way that I would reciece it. HE does not do that for every one. The call goes out and THE CHOSEN reply.

[Guest shiloh357]

You are correct, GOD simply alters the will of those who HE is going to save. It is not a herculean effort at all. HE prepares them like a farmer prepares the ground to recieve the seed.

If it is HIS will that all people be saved, HE would do this with all people.

HE did not just present me with HIS gift. HE orchestrated my life and prepared me in such a way that I would reciece it. HE does not do that for every one. The call goes out and THE CHOSEN reply.

Again, there is nothing in the Bible that claims that doesn't want all people saved. Yes God did present you with His gift. It is His gift of eternal life.

Jesus beongs to all people. He loves everyone and His gift of eternal life is for "whosoever." God says He loved the WORLD (not some "chosen" group) so much, He sent His son and whosoever (that means anybody) believes will not perish. The Gospel is for whosoever will believe.

[kross]

You are correct, GOD simply alters the will of those who HE is going to save. It is not a herculean effort at all. HE prepares them like a farmer prepares the ground to recieve the seed.

If it is HIS will that all people be saved, HE would do this with all people.

HE did not just present me with HIS gift. HE orchestrated my life and prepared me in such a way that I would reciece it. HE does not do that for every one. The call goes out and THE CHOSEN reply.

Again, there is nothing in the Bible that claims that doesn't want all people saved. Yes God did present you with His gift. It is His gift of eternal life.

Jesus beongs to all people. He loves everyone and His gift of eternal life is for "whosoever." God says He loved the WORLD (not some "chosen" group) so much, He sent His son and whosoever (that means anybody) believes will not perish. The Gospel is for whosoever will believe.

HE also tells us that the condemnation is that they will not come. The Bible clearly tells us who the "whosoever" are and what makes them come.

[RebekahDavid]

2 Peter 3:9

The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.

John 3:16For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

17For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.

[kross]

2 Peter 3:9

The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.

John 3:16For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

17For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.

Reb,

If you read 2Peter 3:9 in context you will see that it states that GOD is not slack in HIS promise to return, but is long suffering that none of the group referred to as "US" prior to the comma would perish. Peter is establishing that the number of those to be saved in finite/fixed.

The writing that follow this scripture will not work if you interpret it to mean there is an open ended number of those to be saved. Half a verse does not a doctrin make.

You would be better served to quote 1Timothy 2:4 which takes a lot more understanding and tap dancing to get around.

Because what Peter really stated is the exact oposite of how you understand it.

[kross]

2 Peter 3:9

The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.

John 3:16For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

17For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.

Continue what JESUS said.

That no one will come to HIM and that those who do, do so in GOD. (or of GOD depending on the transaltion)

That is why a person must be born of the spirit before they can see the kingdom of heaven. If the spirt does not birth someone, they will not comprehend spiritual things.

[kross]

[Guest shiloh357]

You are correct, GOD simply alters the will of those who HE is going to save. It is not a herculean effort at all. HE prepares them like a farmer prepares the ground to recieve the seed.

If it is HIS will that all people be saved, HE would do this with all people.

HE did not just present me with HIS gift. HE orchestrated my life and prepared me in such a way that I would reciece it. HE does not do that for every one. The call goes out and THE CHOSEN reply.

Again, there is nothing in the Bible that claims that doesn't want all people saved. Yes God did present you with His gift. It is His gift of eternal life.

Jesus beongs to all people. He loves everyone and His gift of eternal life is for "whosoever." God says He loved the WORLD (not some "chosen" group) so much, He sent His son and whosoever (that means anybody) believes will not perish. The Gospel is for whosoever will believe.

HE also tells us that the condemnation is that they will not come. The Bible clearly tells us who the "whosoever" are and what makes them come.

Whosoever means "Whosoever." Nothing "makes" them come. Everyone either accepts or rejects the Gospel freely.

[kross]

You are correct, GOD simply alters the will of those who HE is going to save. It is not a herculean effort at all. HE prepares them like a farmer prepares the ground to recieve the seed.

If it is HIS will that all people be saved, HE would do this with all people.

HE did not just present me with HIS gift. HE orchestrated my life and prepared me in such a way that I would reciece it. HE does not do that for every one. The call goes out and THE CHOSEN reply.

Again, there is nothing in the Bible that claims that doesn't want all people saved. Yes God did present you with His gift. It is His gift of eternal life.

Jesus beongs to all people. He loves everyone and His gift of eternal life is for "whosoever." God says He loved the WORLD (not some "chosen" group) so much, He sent His son and whosoever (that means anybody) believes will not perish. The Gospel is for whosoever will believe.

HE also tells us that the condemnation is that they will not come. The Bible clearly tells us who the "whosoever" are and what makes them come.

Whosoever means "Whosoever." Nothing "makes" them come. Everyone either accepts or rejects the Gospel freely.

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