How Does The Holy Spirit Intercedes?

[Matthitjah]

Grace to you,

So wayward believers really need to quit picking out verses in the Book of Acts that clearly goes against scriptures written plainly elsewhere like the letters of instructions to the early churches regarding our faith because they are applying Acts to their supernatural experiences instead of towards the truth of the Gospel to discern by them.

I see that anyone who disagree's with you is a wayward believer and as has been stated earlier has an evil spirit.

Am I correct in this declaration of yours?

Peace,

Dave

[poorinspirit]

1 John 4: 1Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world.

That means believers can be influenced by false spirits, otherwise, why bother testing them if they could not?

Believe me when I say it

[nebula]

So wayward believers really need to quit picking out verses in the Book of Acts that clearly goes against scriptures written plainly elsewhere like the letters of instructions to the early churches regarding our faith because they are applying Acts to their supernatural experiences instead of towards the truth of the Gospel to discern by them.

Just because you are the better accuser does not make you the better conveyor of truth.

In all you have spoken and all that has been presented to you, it seems you are still judging the whole gift of tongues based on your experience of how people have prayed rather than examining the fruit in the lives us of confess to having this gift.

You call us brothers and sisters, yet you accuse us of being demonized at the same time.

And you keep treating the gift of the Holy Spirit with contempt.

Is the gift good or is it not?

Is the Holy Spirit God, or is He not?

Like plants, we need to be continually washed and watered. A one-time filling will leave you dry in a weak.

Eph. 5:18 - And do not be drunk with wine, in which is dissipation; but be filled with the Spirit,

Paul was speaking to Christian. If being filled with the Spirit was a one-time event, why would Paul instruct them to be filled with the Spirit after they were already filled?

No, we need to continually draw from the well, continually drink, continually be filled again and again, over and over. It's an ongoing process, "ever changing from glory to glory." Elsewise, we become stagnant.

Your boasting is not good.

[dcampsart]

I appreciate your reply to me in what I perceive is humility because I have labored over my reply to you because I thought afterward how I wish I had not clicked on the "Add Reply" button and sent something so harsh. I still believe you are my brother and I am yours because we both believe in the grace of our Lord Jesus Christ. However, and I know it's MY OPINION, I have come to the conclusion you have set your face as flint and you are very adamant (

[poorinspirit]

Grace to you,

poorinspirit;

#2. Jesus being the Son of Man as well as the Son of God, goes to show that being led by the Spirit, He was doing His Father's will.

Then why do you say believers residing in Christ seeking to be led of the Holy Spirit have a demon?

Those are somebody's else words.

No they're not their your words in reply to me in post number 57 of this topic.

http://www.worthychristianforums.com/Holy-...48#entry1308048

I reread that post again. I do not see the wording of "believers residing in Christ seeking to be led of the Holy Spirit have a demon".

If you are referring to this statement: "I thank you for your word of caution, but after hearing many testimonies, the Lord led me to discern how the leaven leavens into that whole lump... when they took their eyes off of Jesus to the spirit to get those tongues that comes without interpretation. It is time to sound the alarm for any that may heed the call to narrow the Way back to the straight gate: Jesus Christ the Lord. He shall be appearing soon. "

I believe I have stated in other posts that like a thief that comes and goes.. that breaks into the house and break it up, they do not possess the house, they just go through it, ransacking it, taking what they want for the moment, which in many cases, temperance, which is self control. This is what happens when one suffers a thief to break through by seeking another spirit to receive.

You either have the Holy Spirit as promised for coming to Jesus OR you are labouring in unbelief... even though you still have the Holy Spirit in you for coming to Jesus. The difference is.. your faith should be seen by your words and in practise in the worship place. One cannot call for the Holy Spirit to come if He is already in you. Believers need to stop reliving Pentecost over and over again. You are filled and believers need to discern the tongues they have by how they got it. Was it by broadening the way given in approaching God the Father by including the Spirit as the Door as well as the Son? Then it is no mystery in how believers left themselves open for false spirits to steal the spotlight in the worship place because by the scriptures, the indwelling Holy Spirit would never do that nor glorify any movement of the "spirit".... but wayward believers will to justify taking their eyes off of Jesus... even for a moment.

That is why Matthew 7:13-27 & Luke 13:24-30 keeps telling wayward believers that if they want to be found ready, they need to narrow the Way back to the straight gate in relating to God the Father through the Son only. That is Whom the indwelling Holy Spirit is pointing you towards, brother, if you are ever going to have any hope of avoiding false spirits as well as false prophets.

[poorinspirit]

You believe in Jesus Christ and thus you are of God, brother, BUT not every supernatural event in life is of God. Believers take pride in something they did not test nor discern by the Word of God. May the Lord help them to do this.

Thank you, you call me brother but tell me I'm deceived and speaking in gibbersh tongues of satan. How can this be? Can I be of two houses and still stand in Christ? Can I call on Gods Holy Spirit and not be of Christ? Please unpack these thoughts for me brother.

Why are you calling on Gods Holy Spirit?

Who is the ONLY Mediator between God and man? 1 Timothy 2:5

What is the commandment in how one approaches God the Father? John 14:6

Who is the Door? John 10:7-11

Why is the Holy Spirit called the Comforter? John 14:16-17

Then by calling on the Holy Spirit is what? John 10:1 Against the scriptures.

May God cause the increase for I know I cannot.

[poorinspirit]

Why are we to ignore the Holy Spirit when Christ never did?

Because, brother, one is ignoring the Holy Spirit when they are not keeping their eyes on Jesus Christ. If we are truly led by the Spirit, our eyes are on Jesus Our Mediator, Good Shepherd, and High Priest.

It would be the same thing like if you were testifying so as to glorify Jesus Christ, but for some reason, your congregation are not looking to Christ Jesus anymore, they are looking to you as if you are the mediator, the shepherd, and the high priest.

John 15: 26But when the Comforter is come, whom I will send unto you from the Father, even the Spirit of truth, which proceedeth from the Father, he shall testify of me: 27And ye also shall bear witness, because ye have been with me from the beginning.

We are co-labourers in the ministry and as we are being led by the Spirit to testify and glorify Jesus Christ, we cannot share in that spotlight Whose name is above every other name.

Why is it that when tongues is being used, the Spirit is being shared in the spotlight with Jesus Christ? That is what the indwelling Holy Spirit would never lead us to do.

When people get tongues, they'd get it. Nobody told them about tongues in Acts. They just got it.

If you do not want to take a step back and ask the Lord if there be anything amiss in your walk with Him, if you had inadvertantly sought something when you should have been seeking the gift of prophesy, but because of the company you keep, you sought tongues instead, then I am not going to argue with you. I am not supposed to anyway. By His grace, I have been trying to answer your questions, but it appears I am not being heard at all.

In which case, I should be leaving you all alone as soon as, by His grace, I get done with the inquiries.

[poorinspirit]

Poorinspirit, good afternoon brother

You keep referring to tongues coming from an outside spirit, as posted before that is not the case. It is agift from God, the Holy Spirit is God, it comes from inside a believer. A person does recieve the promise of the Holy Spirit upon salvation, so how can a evil spirit posses a believer for them to manifest tongues in the demonic? Light and darkness cannot abide in the same temple.

Matthew 24: 23Then if any man shall say unto you, Lo, here is Christ, or there; believe it not. 24For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect. 25Behold, I have told you before.

That means believers can be led astray in getting tongues without interpretation.

1 John 4: 1Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world.

That means believers can be influenced by false spirits, otherwise, why bother testing them if they could not?

Those that follow the voice of the Good Shepherd and not the stranger's voice will heed the call to do this.

Luke 13:24Strive to enter in at the strait gate: for many, I say unto you, will seek to enter in, and shall not be able.

Matthew 7:13Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat: 14Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it. 15Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.

That means that false prophets will broaden the Way to God the Father by offering another invitation and another Door than just the one to Christ Jesus... and they are doing it by offering one for the Spirit. Thus the call to narrow the way back to the straight gate: Jesus Christ, to avoid false prophets and false spirits.

John 10:1Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that entereth not by the door into the sheepfold, but climbeth up some other way, the same is a thief and a robber......4And when he putteth forth his own sheep, he goeth before them, and the sheep follow him: for they know his voice. 5And a stranger will they not follow, but will flee from him: for they know not the voice of strangers........ 7Then said Jesus unto them again, Verily, verily, I say unto you, I am the door of the sheep.

A stranger's voice is as the world speaks and as the world hears: gibberish

1 John 4: 4Ye are of God, little children, and have overcome them: because greater is he that is in you, than he that is in the world. 5They are of the world: therefore speak they of the world, and the world heareth them.

You believe in Jesus Christ and thus you are of God, sister, BUT not every supernatural event in your life is of God. Do not take pride in something you did not test nor discern by the Word of God. May the Lord help you to do this.

You also keep referring to the belief that if one doesn't speak in tngues and thus is a different path to the truth of the Gosple, ALL charasmatic denominations donot believe that! Matter of fact I never even heard of that until I read your link in another thread, and as I stated before I have walked in the Lord for 32 years. You will always find sects of denominations that twist the scriptures to fit their theologies. There are many sects of denominations that add to scripture about the way to true salvation, does not mean the WHOLE denomination is wrong.

By ignoring the narrowing of the Way back to the straight gate to be ready for His appearing, then one is leaving the door open for false spirits to do their thing when believers place the Holy Spirit in the worship place, pray to the Holy Spirit, honour the Holy Spirit, or sing to the Holy Spirit even if one stanza in the song is dedicated to Him. By not keeping your eyes on Jesus against that which the indwelling Holy Spirit is leading us to do, then believers are not watching and suffering their houses to be broken through. And as a thief works, they leave... not possessed the home they are burglarizing.

Ask Jesus in prayer... and I do mean without the prayer language. Ask Him to give the wisdom for discernment as God does call every member of the seven churches in Revelation to examine themselves and to trust Jesus to help them be ready. Pruning is needed in the churches, big time.

You keep ignoring the fact that has been stated to you that the Holy Ghost IS GOD! He is deserving of worship, honor, and praise. He is God and cannot lead us away from Himself.

You also keep ignoring the scriptures that have been posted to you that many were baptized/filled with the Holy Ghost and began to speak in tongues. That tongues is for the edyification of the believers. It's for building our faith. Those who worship must woriship in Spirit and in truth.

You say I believe in Jesus, so I'm a sister in Christ, but on the other hand I'm indwelled by devils speaking gibberish. Man cannot serve two masters, so which is it?

You say that all the supernatural things in my life are not of God. Do you know me personally brother? Do you know what my God has brought me thru? How it was the power of the Holy Ghost that has brought me thru the most horrifing times of my life?

You advise me to seek for discernment and wisdom but not in my prayer language, which is the Holy Ghost in me leading me to the Mind of God. So I am to seek for the mind of God, but not in the Spirit of God, which leads me there.

I become very skeptical when someone is trying to draw me away from the spiritual things of God into the things only the carnal mind can comprehend.

Brother I am praying very earnestly for you. Do not turn off from the spiritual things of God, God is a Spirit, and we must worship in spirit and in truth.

Please, please, please be careful of what you speak. Blasphemey of the Holy Ghost is a grievious thing with God. And it is better for one to put a milstone around his neck and cast himself into the water, than to lead one of His little ones astray.

Sister,

I have said all I can say on the matter. You keep missing the call for discernment that is given to every believer in Christ. God addressed the seven churches to examine themselves, and by His grace, I keep pointing you all to go back to your first love, Jesus Christ.... but you guys keep on insisting that it is okay to point to the Holy Spirit as well.

You can stop praying for me. I shall stop posting soon, God be willing. I should not have continued answering qustions that were obviously not honest inquiries but attempts to stump me, and by answering, I seem to make you all the angrier still. That is why I should be stopping soon.

Hopefully, the Lord shall deliver me from that which He is obviously does not want me to do anymore. And I confess, I have continued when He has told to stop by prophetic dreams and His word. Not exactly sure how one can redeem the time for what is remaining, but I trust Him to help me let go as I trust Him to have me ready to go Home.

[poorinspirit]

Grace to you,

So wayward believers really need to quit picking out verses in the Book of Acts that clearly goes against scriptures written plainly elsewhere like the letters of instructions to the early churches regarding our faith because they are applying Acts to their supernatural experiences instead of towards the truth of the Gospel to discern by them.

I see that anyone who disagree's with you is a wayward believer and as has been stated earlier has an evil spirit.

Am I correct in this declaration of yours?

Peace,

Dave

No. In regards to this topic,

if one seeks after the Holy Spirit when He is in them as promised for coming to Jesus and believing in Him ..

if one seeks a continual filling of the Spirit when you are filled.. thus why you are not hungering nor thirsting anymore as promised for coming to and believing in Jesus...

if one forgets their first love and began seeking after the Holy Spirit as if He comes and goes in the worship place...

if one worships the Holy Spirit as if that is what the Holy Spirit in us would lead anyone to do... as if He is not to lead us to tesify and glorify Jesus Christonly , but along with Himself as well...

if one ignores the correction by the scriptures because it doesn't fit with their supernatural experiences... irregardless in how it affects their testimony of the Gospel of Jesus Christ....

Then they are wayward in regards to this topic... as in following disorderly and not after the tradition taught of us. They are suffering their houses to be broken through by a thief.. and thieves do not stay to possess a home, they steal and leave, thus indicative about how false spirits can affect believers. Is it not a coincidence in how the Holy Spirit must come again and again and yet the faith is that He is in us ALWAYS... and the only way we will know the Holy Spirit is by Him abiding in us... not out there where other spirits dwell. That is why Jesus is our resting place.

Nuff said. It seems I am only making believers angrier by answering these questions.

[poorinspirit]

In all you have spoken and all that has been presented to you, it seems you are still judging the whole gift of tongues based on your experience of how people have prayed rather than examining the fruit in the lives us of confess to having this gift.

That is not how you discern the gift of tongue.

You call us brothers and sisters, yet you accuse us of being demonized at the same time.

Suffering your houses to be broken through by a thief.

And you keep treating the gift of the Holy Spirit with contempt.

No... just what is going on today with tongues. It is not the same as it was given in the early churches and nor is it being practised as instructed in the early churches either.

Is the gift good or is it not?

From God that it is accompanied by the interpretation of tongues... it is good. That would be like giving a talent that is profittable to the body withal, but giving tongues without interpretation and to be used as a prayer language is like burying that talent, and I know God would not do that.

Is the Holy Spirit God, or is He not?

Yes and the role of the Holy Ghost is to lead us to honour the Son for by Him we can honour the Father. The moment we stop honouring the Son and by honouring the Holy Spirit... we are..

#1. Not listening to the Holy Spirit anymore nor are we being led by Him to do that

#2. And we have ceased to honour the Father

John 5:22For the Father judgeth no man, but hath committed all judgment unto the Son: 23That all men should honour the Son, even as they honour the Father. He that honoureth not the Son honoureth not the Father which hath sent him.

Like plants, we need to be continually washed and watered. A one-time filling will leave you dry in a weak.

Eph. 5:18 - And do not be drunk with wine, in which is dissipation; but be filled with the Spirit,

Paul was speaking to Christian. If being filled with the Spirit was a one-time event, why would Paul instruct them to be filled with the Spirit after they were already filled?

No, we need to continually draw from the well, continually drink, continually be filled again and again, over and over. It's an ongoing process, "ever changing from glory to glory." Elsewise, we become stagnant. Your boasting is not good.

Ephesians 5:18And be not drunk with wine, wherein is excess; but be filled with the Spirit;

Paul was speaking of as oppoed to the flesh of drinking wine where there is excess, but not so with the Spirit. We are filled with the Spirit and thus are asked to remain filled with the Spirit as opposed to being drunk with wine wherein is excess. Once you get sober, the Spirit is still in you because your body is the Temple of the Holy Spirit and once sober.. the fruit of temperance (self control)is there as well. We are called to walk in the Spirit... not out of Spirit as if one must call for a continual filling. It is by walking in the Spirit that we avoid walking in the flesh. We can't do that if we are out of the Spirit constantly for the flesh to take over. That is hardly a rest promised by Jesus for coming to Him.

Is His promise sure? Jesus said we shall be filled.. we shall never hunger nor thirst for coming to and beleiving in Him. That is why I oppose you because you are testifying against the promises of God in Christ Jesus.

Matthew 5:6Blessed are they which do hunger and thirst after righteousness: for they shall be filled.

Philippians 1:9And this I pray, that your love may abound yet more and more in knowledge and in all judgment; 10That ye may approve things that are excellent; that ye may be sincere and without offence till the day of Christ. 11Being filled with the fruits of righteousness, which are by Jesus Christ, unto the glory and praise of God.

John 4:10Jesus answered and said unto her, If thou knewest the gift of God, and who it is that saith to thee, Give me to drink; thou wouldest have asked of him, and he would have given thee living water. 11The woman saith unto him, Sir, thou hast nothing to draw with, and the well is deep: from whence then hast thou that living water? 12Art thou greater than our father Jacob, which gave us the well, and drank thereof himself, and his children, and his cattle? 13Jesus answered and said unto her, Whosoever drinketh of this water shall thirst again: 14But whosoever drinketh of the water that I shall give him shall never thirst; but the water that I shall give him shall be in him a well of water springing up into everlasting life.

John 6:35And Jesus said unto them, I am the bread of life: he that cometh to me shall never hunger; and he that believeth on me shall never thirst.

2 Peter 1: 1Simon Peter, a servant and an apostle of Jesus Christ, to them that have obtained like precious faith with us through the righteousness of God and our Saviour Jesus Christ:

Romans 3: 22Even the righteousness of God which is by faith of Jesus Christ unto all and upon all them that believe: for there is no difference: 23For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God; 24Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus: 25Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God; 26To declare, I say, at this time his righteousness: that he might be just, and the justifier of him which believeth in Jesus.

That is why this analogy is given....

2 Corinthians 5:17Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new. 18And all things are of God, who hath reconciled us to himself by Jesus Christ, and hath given to us the ministry of reconciliation;

At no point in time does the ministry of reconciliation: christianity.. becomes spirituanity, because below proves there is no need but to walk with Jesus, Our Good Shepherd IN the Spirit.

Matthew 9:17Neither do men put new wine into old bottles: else the bottles break, and the wine runneth out, and the bottles perish: but they put new wine into new bottles, and both are preserved.

There can be no continual filling. What more can God have done that is required more than faith in Jesus Christ? If Jesus is our resting place, then how can we rest in Him if we have to seek continually filling ourselves with His Spirit as if we are not a new creature in Christ, and we must thirst after the Spirit to be filled? I see no rest there. I also see no invitation nor Door being offered to the Spirit. Only to Jesus.

You want to say more is needed from us in making ourselves His as I see tongues being attached and gained by this "more" to be sought after... then I am not going to argue. Go ye on your own way.

I believe in the simplicity of the Gospel. I believe in Jesus Christ, and that I am filled with the Spirit as promised for coming to Jesus. I am to learn of Jesus through the scriptures by trusting Him with all His promises to me and that includes letting go of this thread since no one is hearing Him nor me.