Genesis 6:1-4

[Botz]

QUOTE botz...

In that passge in Matthew 22:30 that you referred to, in the verse before it, Jesus makes a very interesting and intriguing statement...."You are mistaken, not understanding the Scriptures, or the power of G-d..."...food for thought.

REPLY Arch2...makes no sense and what is your application--a backhand insult?

No I don't think the L-rd was trying to insult anyone...just trying to show them that they may know the Scriptures very well, but not always understand their true application....as for the verse, it still intrigues me, and as yet I do no have a decent handle on it and it remains as mental ambrosia.

In actual fact if you had read through the thread, you would have already seen that some of us...myself included, are strongly in favour of the brief conclussions you have mentioned...only perhaps we worded them slightly less formally or forcefully.

I'd still be interested in hearing of these more 'qualified books/essays' about the subject that you personally have mentioned...

i find it very painful to read discussions by people who cannot turn to more qualified men of God and their works to talk about a passage of scripture. if you are going to talk about scripture, get out of the pop christianity books and get into real acadmic material written by men of God and not pretenders.

and I think when exrockstar was asking for a contribution and not just criticism you might have provided him with some references so that he could get his teeth into them.

[exrockstar]

i will stick with the idea that men of God were lured away by their desires for beautiful women, we have plenty of evidence for that in the Bible and history -- david, solomon, bakker, swaggert, haggard (a man though). nothing supports the angel theory.

so you believe everyone after Adam is a "son of God" "or aka "son of Elohim?"

kind of makes the Bible a sci-fi novel not a book of truth.

tell that to an atheist when you share a story of a snake convincing Eve to eat an apple.

[Botz]

i will stick with the idea that men of God were lured away by their desires for beautiful women, we have plenty of evidence for that in the Bible and history -- david, solomon, bakker, swaggert, haggard (a man though). nothing supports the angel theory.

so you believe everyone after Adam is a "son of God" "or aka "son of Elohim?"

kind of makes the Bible a sci-fi novel not a book of truth.

tell that to an atheist when you share a story of a snake convincing Eve to eat an apple.

How true is that!

[Botz]

Hi Arch2...

try the I.S.B.E. for starters,

believe it or not I have sourced numerous reference works, having already come to what I believed was a Scriptural conclusion, and what I read for the most part further endorsed what I believed...but on this issue, I still have room to accomodate fasts that I have not entertained, and better biblical exergesis and application than I have so far endeavoured to bring to the Scriptures. I did as you suggested, but the I.S.B.E had no new light to throw on the subject.

i have. do you think that christian forums are the only place i post?

Again I think the reference to the talking serpent was a light-hearted but poignant observation...I'm sure you spread love and harmony on all forums that you visit pssstt that was just a friendly jibe.

Why? all Jesus is doing is pointing out that without a regenerated mind and the help of the Holy Spirit one does not clearly understand what God is saying. This is reinforced by Paul later. people who do not believe God do not get the keys to unlocking what God is saying. that is why you do not listen to seular people or those who preach adifferent gospel than the one Jesus and the apostles brought, such people just do not grasp what God's message really is.

I see what you're saying, and I think that it is well put...in other words they/unregenerated are unable to discern the Scriptures or comprehend the very nature and purposes of G-d...because as you point out these resources are inherited by birth-right, and not simply by studious application...it is clearer now, thanks.

In Messiah. Botz

[Botz]

seems someone edited my words without permission and i know there was nothing wrong with them. i won't repost them as the comment they were answering will go on the ignore list as a personal attack.

I think the reference to the talking serpent was a light-hearted but poignant observation...I'm sure you spread love and harmony on all forums that you visit pssstt that was just a friendly jibe

i would prefer if you refrained from such things.

You got it....t'was but a humour thermometer, I see now that you prefer 'formal' to friendly', so in deference to your wishes I will 'refrain' from light-hearted repartee.

believe it or not I have sourced numerous reference works, having already come to what I believed was a Scriptural conclusion, and what I read for the most part further endorsed what I believed

then quote your sources, since your conclusions came from your study.

...You misunderstand...my conclusions were already in place before I attempted to see what other people had written about the subject...I generally exhaust my cross references in the Bible, before I ever look elsewhere for possible clarification, and these I have already stated....but here are some of the books and sources I referenced, that gave both view-points:-

Harper's Bible Dictionary.

Steve Quayle's book 'Aliens and Fallen Angels.

Book of Enoch

http://www.biblestudy.org/question/who-are-the-nephilim.html

Rabbi Stanley from Mosaic ministries

Wikipedia

Rational Christianity

Jamieson-Fausset Brown Commentary

Smith's Bible dictionary

and a great many more besides...Many have differing/opposing views, but it was nevertheless interesting and informative reading when possible, how they came to their conclusions...even some of the more whacky stuff....and my other source has been friends here on Worthy, who have supplied challenging counters to what I personally hold to.

[exrockstar]

and a great many more besides...Many have differing/opposing views, but it was nevertheless interesting and informative reading when possible, how they came to their conclusions...even some of the more whacky stuff....and my other source has been friends here on Worthy, who have supplied challenging counters to what I personally hold to.

i'm always looking for opposing views. i may not agree but nevertheless give it a chance.

many act like jehovah's witnesses and just wanna drop off literature but will not take something given to them.

If one has "truth" then it will stand on it's own and do not need to run away opposing conversations.

[traveller]

and a great many more besides...Many have differing/opposing views, but it was nevertheless interesting and informative reading when possible, how they came to their conclusions...even some of the more whacky stuff....and my other source has been friends here on Worthy, who have supplied challenging counters to what I personally hold to.

i'm always looking for opposing views. i may not agree but nevertheless give it a chance.

many act like jehovah's witnesses and just wanna drop off literature but will not take something given to them.

If one has "truth" then it will stand on it's own and do not need to run away opposing conversations.

Ditto that/

[EricH]

and a great many more besides...Many have differing/opposing views, but it was nevertheless interesting and informative reading when possible, how they came to their conclusions...even some of the more whacky stuff....and my other source has been friends here on Worthy, who have supplied challenging counters to what I personally hold to.

i'm always looking for opposing views. i may not agree but nevertheless give it a chance.

many act like jehovah's witnesses and just wanna drop off literature but will not take something given to them.

If one has "truth" then it will stand on it's own and do not need to run away opposing conversations.

Ditto that/

I always want to understand how people I disagree with think

[Botz]

and a great many more besides...Many have differing/opposing views, but it was nevertheless interesting and informative reading when possible, how they came to their conclusions...even some of the more whacky stuff....and my other source has been friends here on Worthy, who have supplied challenging counters to what I personally hold to.

i'm always looking for opposing views. i may not agree but nevertheless give it a chance.

many act like jehovah's witnesses and just wanna drop off literature but will not take something given to them.

If one has "truth" then it will stand on it's own and do not need to run away opposing conversations.

Ditto that/

I always want to understand how people I disagree with think

I agree...and sometimes within the household of faith, I am forced to reassess some of the things I have held dear, or maybe just absorbed without too much thought...and because I respect them and the voice of the Spirit in what they present, I look deeper into His word searching for truth, and G-d corrects me, or broadens my narrow/uninformed/wrongly taught/wrongly understood outlook.