December 21, 2012

[kross]

So, I watched a show on the History Channel during Armageddon week. It was called Nosterdamas 2012. It talked about a lot of stuff.

But, it discussed the time lines in the Egyptian and Incan pyramids that both end (supposedly) on Dec. 21, 2012.

Truth is, they can just be reading into these things what seems interesting to them.

Still, what does the room think about a great cataclismic event destroying civilization as we know it in a couple of years?

I have to say, I have believed this for 15 years now, so this was nothing new to me. It is getting closer though.

[Guest Yacov]

Dear Kross,

I have seen this show as well. Please note that the Rabbis in Israel will generally state that they do not listen to a gentile prophet...so thye say. However, I think that it is reasonable to assume that in today's world, one has to consider prophetic statements such as these that seem to match with much greater weight.

FYI - All Native Americans in this hemisphere have been given the green light from the Rabbis in Israel for a "Right to eturn." The Indians in North America are apart of Mannaseh and the Indians in South America are from Ephraim as it is beleived.

I will not, however, state that they are correct, at least not yet. I will say that on 21 Dec 2012 does indeed have a very dramatic Solar Eclipse that my Modern Scientific sources have told me that they expect something drastic will happen on that day due to verifyable mathmematical results that will cause a distortion in the gravity field due to the alignment of the earth, the moon, the sun, our galaxies black hole, and the 13th Constellation, and that they expect that the earth will tilt on its axis on that day.

Eistein's equations have proven that the earth has tilted on its axis in days past such as on April 3, 33 ce...the day that scientists state that Yeshua was hung on the execution stake causing darkness upon the land; as it states in the Nazerean Codocil.

There are other astrological events that will affect the gentile nations in the next coming years up til the year 2015. There are other solar and lunar eclipses, but none for the rest of this century on a Jewish Holy Day nor on a Feast of the L-rd - an Appointed Time of ADONAI. 2 solar eclipses in 2014 and 2 in 2015. 4 lunar eclipses happen during the years of 2014 and 2015.

Does this point to an end trib situation? I do not know yet, but it is a subject that I will go into a period of intense study, debate, prayer, and the use of Kabbalah as Rabbi Kefa did in the book Acts of the Talmidim Chapters 10 and 11. Ch 10 is the vision and Ch 11 is the explanation of the vision. Without that vision, Jews and Gentiles could not have fellowship. It is not about whether or not we are allowed to eat pork like the Romans stated.

Is 21 Dec 2012 to be when the Anti-Christ appears on the stage?

Is it a nuclear war?

Is it the war in Meggido?

Is it the very last war in which Yeshua will come riding as a Warrior to defend Israel?

What effect will this have on the gentile world is the question that I propose.

Since this is a Solar eclipse, this will not have any direct affects on Israel as a Nation, but what are the effects, if any?

What I do know for sure is that Our Messiah is coming and we will not have to wait long!

[O'Dannyboy]

I thought about this topic earlier today. Please note that 2012 is also when the Mayan calendar runs out. The thought that came to mind was that the treaty with Israel would have to be struck and signed this summer. Interesting times indeed. We only have to wait and see and watch for the events to unfold.

[Guest Yacov]

I thought about this topic earlier today. Please note that 2012 is also when the Mayan calendar runs out. The thought that came to mind was that the treaty with Israel would have to be struck and signed this summer. Interesting times indeed. We only have to wait and see and watch for the events to unfold.

History may correct this, but I think that it is reasonable to assume that before the 7 year Peace Treaty is signed with Israel, that either the city of Damascus has been wiped off th planet and/or Iran is bombed. Both of which were Prophesied to happen. I think that this would be the reason for the drastic need for the Peace Treaty as it would force all parties in the Middle East to come to terms. REAL Peace Treaties between Nations only happen due to one side totally kicking the @#!$ out of the other side.

Look what happened in WWII for instance. WWII brought Peace to Europe for a wonderful change, but it also setup WWIII as we are in right now. Look at Germany today.

However, stating tht about Germany, they do have a Treaty with Russia that whoever attacks Russia, Germany will come to their rescue. I see Germany and Turkey siding with Russia in the coming days. Watch for it.

Also, please note that the climate today is IDENTICAL to that of the 1930's. The Financial System is in crises and Anti-Semitism is on the rise including right here in the good ole US of A.

Are there any Christians out there that know anything about the National Council of Churches? This is the wing of teh American Church that is Anti-Semitic. I hope that I have gotten the name correct above. This is the Council of Churches that condemns Israel on every move including the issue of Gaza. This same Council is pushing a 2 State Solution.

While I agree that the dividing of the Land of Israel and Jerusalem is a major Prophetic event, why in the world would an organization that "claims to love Rabbi Yeshua" be so Anti-Semitic? Or is it more reasonable to assume that they beleive in the Jesus in the Catechisms of old - 325 ce - 1500's or so?

[nebula]

I will not, however, state that they are correct, at least not yet. I will say that on 21 Dec 2012 does indeed have a very dramatic Solar Eclipse

Would you please explain waht makes this Solar Eclipse more dramatic than any other Solar Eclipse? Thanks!

and the 13th Constellation

What is the 13th Constellation?

and that they expect that the earth will tilt on its axis on that day.

I don't understand this statement. The Earth is always tilted on its axis. It is the Earth's normal state of being.

There are other astrological events that will affect the gentile nations in the next coming years up til the year 2015. There are other solar and lunar eclipses, but none for the rest of this century on a Jewish Holy Day nor on a Feast of the L-rd - an Appointed Time of ADONAI. 2 solar eclipses in 2014 and 2 in 2015. 4 lunar eclipses happen during the years of 2014 and 2015.

Again, would you please explain.

How can there be more than two Lunar Eclipses in one year?

[Guest Yacov]

I will not, however, state that they are correct, at least not yet. I will say that on 21 Dec 2012 does indeed have a very dramatic Solar Eclipse

Would you please explain waht makes this Solar Eclipse more dramatic than any other Solar Eclipse? Thanks!

and the 13th Constellation

What is the 13th Constellation?

and that they expect that the earth will tilt on its axis on that day.

I don't understand this statement. The Earth is always tilted on its axis. It is the Earth's normal state of being.

There are other astrological events that will affect the gentile nations in the next coming years up til the year 2015. There are other solar and lunar eclipses, but none for the rest of this century on a Jewish Holy Day nor on a Feast of the L-rd - an Appointed Time of ADONAI. 2 solar eclipses in 2014 and 2 in 2015. 4 lunar eclipses happen during the years of 2014 and 2015.

Again, would you please explain.

How can there be more than two Lunar Eclipses in one year?

1) If I stated that the earth is always tilted its axis, I apologize. That is not correct. The earth has on several occasions in the past tilted on its axis. a) when the flood happened because before the flood there were no seasons b) when Yeshua died, the earth tilted on its axis because of the darkness.

Those are just 2 examples. a) above, the earth did not have a tilt at all and therefore, no seasons. b) if the earth did not rotate on its axis, how else could scientists explain the darkeness around Jerusalem during midday?

A few years back an earthquake happened that caused the earth herself to tilt her axis 1 degree towards due north and not magnetic north. Due north is the state without a tilt.

2) 13th Constellation - It was on that show that Kross mentioned. NASA has also taken pictures of this. It also will align itself between the Constellation Sagitarious and Orion. Sagitarious points its arrow at orions belt. The 13th Constellation will fall inline with the arrow and Orions belt which also happens to be in the dead center of the galaxy on the date above.

3) The problem with this alignment according to scientists is that they beleive that it there is a strong indication that it will cause a major ecological environmental changes on a dramatic scale, but that they are willing to state exactly what those changes will be. However, they point to major earthquakes, volcanic eruptions wordwide, sea changes, and land mass changes. This is what the scientists are indicating that this is what we should expect with this Solar eclipse.

However, some state that this not going to happen, but are willing to state that there will be major changes on earth on that date. They just will not state what those will be for fear of being ostrasized or being called a lunatic and loose their scientific standings. Is it reasonable to assume that I am not the first son of David to make statements that could be considered radical?

4) This is why I plan to study this much more extensively from a Jewish scholar's point of view. By that I mean that I will take the scriptures from a Jewish point of view and see if the scientific evidence aligns with the Orthodox Writers of the New Testaments viewpoint using the Talmud, other ancient Jewish writings, other Rabbinical commentaries, and with other Jewish Sages of our time as I desire to make sure that I am interpreting the Jewish Prophecies correctly.

5) When Yeshua stated that you will not "know the day nor the hour," Yeshua was actually stating a Jewish saying of the time. This saying came about because of the counting of the new moon in order to know exactly when the new month began. The ancient sages had to do this in order to keep the Feasts of ADONAI properly every single year according to G-d's calendar that God gave Moses.

6) Could this be "a Day of Judgment?" Could this be the rapture that the church has been so long waiting on? Could this be the rapture that the story of Messiah Yosef, the Prime Minister of Egypt, clearly represents? That is the Jewish rature theory. Could this day be the War of Meggido? Could there be no rapture at all? Could this day be that THE Messiah Comes? There are alot of questions to answer; from a Jewish point of view.

7) How could there be more than 2 lunar eclipses in one year? I do not know. I am not a scientist and I am not the one that made the Universe. However, this has happened many times in the past and scientists have the knowledge to calculate this today, in the future and in the past.

8) Scientists have proven by using historical evidence, scriptural evidence and the signs in the heavens exactly when Yeshua was born and the day he died because they know where the stars were and can make calculations. I dont do math and I only get 100 words a minute with no errors in MSWord.

[Blien]

6) Could this be "a Day of Judgment?" Could this be the rapture that the church has been so long waiting on? Could this be the rapture that the story of Messiah Yosef, the Prime Minister of Egypt, clearly represents? That is the Jewish rature theory. Could this day be the War of Meggido? Could there be no rapture at all? Could this day be that THE Messiah Comes? There are alot of questions to answer; from a Jewish point of view.

Would this eclipse explain why the moon would turn RED and the SUN Black and the Stars falling as the scriptures say?? Stars falling sounds like it has something to do with a Black hole or something..And what is meant by this...Matthew 24 Jesus Foretells the Future26

[nebula]

1) If I stated that the earth is always tilted its axis, I apologize. That is not correct. The earth has on several occasions in the past tilted on its axis. a) when the flood happened because before the flood there were no seasons b) when Yeshua died, the earth tilted on its axis because of the darkness.

Those are just 2 examples. a) above, the earth did not have a tilt at all and therefore, no seasons. b) if the earth did not rotate on its axis, how else could scientists explain the darkeness around Jerusalem during midday?

I think we have a misunderstanding here.

Just so you know, I've taken geology and astronomy, and I used to interact on an astronomy message board. Thus, I'm confused by how you are describing everything.

The Earth is in a constant state of tilt. See here

In other words, Earth is in a constant state of wobble, although very, very long-term.

Or do you mean that the Earth is supposed to increase or decrease its angle of tilt on this date?

A few years back an earthquake happened that caused the earth herself to tilt her axis 1 degree towards due north and not magnetic north. Due north is the state without a tilt.

Would you show me the source for your data, please? I'm only finding that the tilt of the axis was altered by a 1 - 2.4 inches at most, not a whole degree.

OK, due north never changes. That is the point from which the angle of tilt is measured.

Magnetic north is always shifting, albeit very slowly.

2) 13th Constellation - It was on that show that Kross mentioned. NASA has also taken pictures of this. It also will align itself between the Constellation Sagitarious and Orion. Sagitarious points its arrow at orions belt. The 13th Constellation will fall inline with the arrow and Orions belt which also happens to be in the dead center of the galaxy on the date above.

How does a constellation change its position with relation to the other constellations?

Orion and Sagittarius are constellations. They don't change with respect to each other.

Are we mixing definitions here?

3) The problem with this alignment according to scientists is that they beleive that it there is a strong indication that it will cause a major ecological environmental changes on a dramatic scale, but that they are willing to state exactly what those changes will be. However, they point to major earthquakes, volcanic eruptions wordwide, sea changes, and land mass changes. This is what the scientists are indicating that this is what we should expect with this Solar eclipse.

Wait a minute, this is sounding like something about the Earth, Moon and Sun are going to be aligned with the center of the galaxy.

Is this correct?

5) When Yeshua stated that you will not "know the day nor the hour," Yeshua was actually stating a Jewish saying of the time. This saying came about because of the counting of the new moon in order to know exactly when the new month began. The ancient sages had to do this in order to keep the Feasts of ADONAI properly every single year according to G-d's calendar that God gave Moses.

OK - I'm not exactly following what the saying means, then.

7) How could there be more than 2 lunar eclipses in one year? I do not know. I am not a scientist and I am not the one that made the Universe. However, this has happened many times in the past and scientists have the knowledge to calculate this today, in the future and in the past.

According to this data there will only be two lunar eclipses in 2012 -

A penumbral eclipse on Nov. 28, 2012 - seen in Europe, e Africa, Asia, Aus., Pacific, N.A.

A partial eclipse on June 4, 2012 - seen in Asia, Aus., Pacific, Americas

Hmm . . . I'm looking up Solar eclipses (see here), and I am not seeing them lining up with the Feast days (See here) in 2012.

[nebula]

Would this eclipse explain why the moon would turn RED and the SUN Black and the Stars falling as the scriptures say??

Lunar eclipses do make the Moon look red. However, since they only occur at night, caused by the Earth's shadow covering the Moon - the bending of the light waves around Earth's gravity cause the red waves to hit the Moon - I don't see how one could say "the Sun turns black." After all, there is no Sun at night!

Something different has to happen.

Now, the Moon can be seen in the day time during certain times of the month. So the only way the sun can turn black and the Moon red at the same time would be for something to happen in the day time (although we don't know from which part of the world this would take place . . . perhaps Israel's time zone?) when the Moon can be seen as well. But it can't be an eclipse - because in either a Solar or lunar eclipse the Earth, Moon and Sun are in a direct line with each other (either Sun-Earth-Moon for a Lunar eclipse or Sun-Moon-Earth for a Solar eclipse).

[kross]

The solar eclipse that is to take place is an alignment with the center of the milky way. It is one of those events that happens very seldom. It is believed that this alignment will result in an interaction with a black hole that is believed to be the center of our universe and will cause changes in magnetic properties of the earth.

Other theories are that this will be a day when some other catastrophy will occur. The history channel ran some shows that were very bilical and some that were extra biblical. They were interesting.