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I have not treated you with contempt. I have asked you questions and stated why I do not agree with you. You have made it clear you do not believe in the trinity and I have called you no name nor insulted you because of it. Disagreeing with you is not the same as treating you with contempt.

If you feel I have treated you with contempt, when you have called me a heretic, then I wonder how you would describe how you have treated me?

When you make scriptural statements like "being a Noahide is against Christianity", you make yourself and enemy of Hashem and therefore, all Jewish people, including Rabbi Yeshua. And then make your religious statements and arguments like you did, makes what many people call "The New Covenant" irrelavent.

When you made your Noahide statement like you did, you make Rabbi Yeshua's authority irrelevant. You do disservice to the Kingdom by making the Kingdom standards so low that even Satan would be considered part of the Kingdom.

If you were to speak to any other religious Jew that was not messianic, they would state I'm a beleiver, walk away and treat you with the same respect that you gave them.

You think of Contempt as a gentile. I am not a gentile. I am a Jew. In order to speak their language, you have to understand how they think.

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Please lets not fight here about technicalities.. people will believe what they want to. Lets just all agree on this one point we all share.. ready?

LET THE LORD'S WILL BE DONE!!!!!!!

There.. now please don't fight with each other. It's really breaking my heart. That's why I created this topic!


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I think some of the problems here are caused by applying Christian thinking onto those who have not yet accepted Christ as Saviour.

From a Christian perspective, we see no need of sacrifices for sin, because Christ has made an eternal and wholly sufficient sacrifice.

For those Jews who do not believe (at this time) that Christ fulfilled the role of the Messiah, as they have been expecting a Davidic ruler (Moshiach ben David) rather than a suffering servant (Moshiach ben Yosef), there will be a desire to re-institute the temple and sacrifices.

When will those Jews see Christ as fulfilling the role of Messiah? ..... At the second coming! :cool:

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I have not treated you with contempt. I have asked you questions and stated why I do not agree with you. You have made it clear you do not believe in the trinity and I have called you no name nor insulted you because of it. Disagreeing with you is not the same as treating you with contempt.

If you feel I have treated you with contempt, when you have called me a heretic, then I wonder how you would describe how you have treated me?

When you make scriptural statements like "being a Noahide is against Christianity", you make yourself and enemy of Hashem and therefore, all Jewish people, including Rabbi Yeshua. And then make your religious statements and arguments like you did, makes what many people call "The New Covenant" irrelavent.

When you made your Noahide statement like you did, you make Rabbi Yeshua's authority irrelevant. You do disservice to the Kingdom by making the Kingdom standards so low that even Satan would be considered part of the Kingdom.

If you were to speak to any other religious Jew that was not messianic, they would state I'm a beleiver, walk away and treat you with the same respect that you gave them.

You think of Contempt as a gentile. I am not a gentile. I am a Jew. In order to speak their language, you have to understand how they think.

For the last time I will say it. In order to get to the Father, we must go through the Son.

The Noahide Law says we can be righteous by following it's 7 guidelines. Not one of those guidelines is belief in Christ. Therefore, it preaches another way to God that leaves Christ out. Therefore, my assertion is correct. Christianity and following the Noahide Laws only are not compatible.

I see no reason to continue as we are on the brink of going in circles. May God Bless You.

Again, to state it bluntly. Do nto speak about which you know not of. To speak against the Noahide Law, the Laws of Moses, commandments or otherwise, please read Hebrews 10:28-31. You will see the grevious errror.

To state that no christian needs to be obedient to the Noahide Law you clearly state that the Holy Spirit does not live inside of you. That is the Law that Yeshua taught His disciples to live by and to teach the gentile ekklesia.

That is why I could make a Messianic Halakhah that you are a heretic and an unbeleiver. And no one in the ekklesia should have a relationship with you afterwards. That is how serious of an offense you make by your own statements. This is not a disagreement to make offhandishly. This is serious business yet you brush it off as if it is nothing.

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