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So glad others recognize this. However, beware. The reformation, which despite rumors to the contrary, is not over. and those who cling to the beliefs of the whore are not yet come out from her. She will be destroyed, and to avoid being destroyed with her the angel of Rev. 18 calls everyone to come fully out. The reformation wasn't just about protesting the errors of Rome, it was to repudiate everything Rome holds dear and practice and preach a gospel that contradicts and opposes everything the whore has in her cup. So do a little research. What doctrines does Rome view as being the foundation of all her dogmas and which Protestantism still cleave to?

Those are great ideas...we do that in our church: only on Friday nights. And don't ever think you are over-reacting ...there is a special blessing for those who sigh and cry for the abominations done in Israel...and millstones waiting for those who offend the young. Cry aloud...spare not...

I could point to the Manufacturer's instructions regarding diet and health, but most Christians just claim 'nah! Because Jesus died for me I can eat anything. I don't believe those Old Covenant rules apply to Christians. You're just a legalist.'

The best healer of the mind is He who created it. So my for most recommendation for you is deep, heartfelt, soul-searching, prayer. Fast...search for God like you have never done previously. No compromise...no giving up...the promise to you is the same as it is for everyone....seek, and I shall be found of you. Get deadly serious about finding Him. Pray earnestly...not the rote prayers you find in prayer books but conversation from the depths of your heart...be brutally honest...with yourself and with Him.

If I died this very night , I am 100% certain that I will be raised in the resurrection at the second coming and taken to the home prepared for me in the heavenly Jerusalem. Why so sure? Because I have the faith to lay hold of the promise that God's grace is sufficient for me...though I am far from perfect, yet God sees me through His Son....as if I had never sinned. But that is now....tomorrow? The next day? Next week? If I should choose NOT to trust Him? The just shall live by faith. We are saved by grace through faith. If I decide not to believe in God's promises???

ARE YOU READY FOR THIS???? Matthew 24:6 And ye shall hear of wars and rumors of wars: see that ye be not troubled: for all these things must come to pass, but the end is not yet. 7 For nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom: and there shall be famines, and pestilences, and earthquakes, in divers places. 8 All these are the beginning of sorrows. 9 Then shall they deliver you up to be afflicted, and shall kill you: and ye shall be hated of all nations for my name’s sake. So, in verse 6 above we have a growing escalation in the troubles. At first, rumors, then in verse 7, actual war. Nations against nations…kingdom against kingdom. On top of that is added famine, pestilence, and other natural disasters. For the true follower of Jesus, these are the beginning of sorrows. These things have indeed begun, and for those of us who have compassion and love for our fellow man, these times are indeed a sorrowful time. In particular, we witness terrorism in many places, and we are horrified by the acts of atrocity being perpetrated against so many innocent people, by a variety of groups, and in so many different ways. But notice verse 9, things are going to change. Where the nations were at each others throats…where there were factions and sects and revolutionary groups attacking one another through verses 6-8, and they being the beginning of sorrows, in verse 9 all of a sudden we are presented with those very same groups, the “they”, being all the powers previously mentioned in verse 7, joining together, uniting under a common banner, to do to God’s people what they had been formerly doing to each other. This is the real sorrow. There is a power who is today guiding the current events of violence and war. At the moment that power is arming both sides, inciting the conflict, for the sole purpose to bring about the union spoken of in verse 9. And when that union is complete, that power will then turn on the only group of people who have not joined in this unholy union of church and state, spoken of so revealingly in the book of Revelation…Babylon the Great. That power is the Vatican, and it is through her agents, the Jesuits, that she is controlling the present “controlled crisis” and it will be those same Jesuits who will turn against the true followers of Jesus when the time is right. Are you ready for this? Are you a true follower of Jesus, or will you join in the coming Vatican sponsored UN globalist agenda (and recently promulgated by the lieing serpent the late Bishop Tony Palmer supported by the likes of Kenneth Copeland, and many other leading apostates) and persecute those who disagree with your agenda?

I have no confidence in myself. Therefore, to declare "I am saved" has within a strong caveat, KJV Hebrews 3 6 if I hold fast the confidence and the rejoicing of the hope firm unto the end. I am now saved because at this point in time my confidence is in Christ that He will accomplish in me all He has promised, and even above and beyond all that I could ask or think, according to the power that works in me. By His grace and mercy I will hold on to Him till the end.

KJV 1 Peter 4 14 If ye be reproached for the name of Christ, happy are ye; for the spirit of glory and of God resteth upon you: on their part he is evil spoken of, but on your part he is glorified. 15 But let none of you suffer as a murderer, or as a thief, or as an evildoer, or as a busybody in other men's matters. 16 Yet if any man suffer as a Christian, let him not be ashamed; but let him glorify God on this behalf. 17 For the time is come that judgment must begin at the house of God: and if it first begin at us, what shall the end be of them that obey not the gospel of God?

It isn't about us. We are called to be ambassadors. We represent a kingdom...called to be a light in the world....for that kingdom. Our appearance matters. It reflects on who we represent. That doesn't mean we cannot associate with sinners and unbelievers, but it does mean we do not partake of their practices and traditions.

The Son of God determined to give His life as a ransom before creation...'slain from the foundation of the world'...there was no way else for mankind to be redeemed. Jesus will throughout all eternity bear the scars of Calvary.

Bishop Tony Palmer spoke with the tongue of the serpent. Then entire agreement between Rome and the Lutherans is deception. Rome has not changed nor will ever change.

Lutheran church now officially agrees with Rome regarding the literal presence of Christ in the eucharist, and is therefore worthy of adoration. Evangelicals who have also signed on to the demise of Protestantism as per the counsel of the late Tony Palmer don't seem to have a problem with that. Shall I mention the continuing practice of the distribution of indulgences...oh, I just did. I could go on....

Rome has not changed. Protestantism has capitulated. The harlots daughters are returning to mother and it seems very few care, even fewer understand the implications. "So what" they think. "Prophecy isn't about the church. Its about Israel." And it will be those blind unquestioning majority who will with joy and gladness persecute and kill those who sigh and cry for the abominations being now practiced in the church.

Their salvation is not a matter between them and me...they need to convince God that Sabbath keeping is not for them. That is why the better have good sound reasons for that rejection. I have a great reason for obedience...a stone engraving by the very finger of God. Now it isn't up to me to judge ones salvation...that is beyond my pay grade. However, I have a testimony to share of my own conviction. Reject it if you wish. But like I saidb you best have very good reasons for doing so. Better than a table of stone inside the throne of God?

The question is why do they not believe the Sabbath commandment to be in effect? They read it in the law...just as they read the 3rd or 5th commandments. They don't reject the other nine, so they must have good sound Biblical reasons for rejecting the 4th. If not...if their rejection of the 4th is based merely on assumptions, then...

If one is a practising Sunday observer knowing in his conscience it is wrong, deliberately ignoring a commandment of God in favor of a commandment of man, then surely you are mature enough to make your own judgement in such a case. Why rely on me?

It may in time become for some a litmus test for obedience, just as Abrahams offering of Isaac was for him a litmus test for obedience...but it was also a test of faith. Did Abraham believe God's promises? His obedience cried, "yes"! And his faith was counted as righteousness. I also believe Gods promises of Sabbath blessings if I obey His commandments. See Isaiah 58. My obedience is a reflection of my faith in God's promises. Yet it isn't even my faith. It's the faith OF Jesus. "Here are they that keep the commandments of God and have the faith of Jesus" Rev. 14:12 So obedience is not a prerequisite to salvation. But disobedience cannot be the fruit of salvation. Honoring the 4th commandment is not nor ever has been a means or avenue toward justification...any more than is not commuting adultery or not killing anybody. Yet is one saved if he is a practicing serial killer knowing its wrong?

I think that if you asked most Sabbath keepers you will find that they would inform you that they rest in Christ AND on the day, and link that with their relationship with God.

Just a thought. We know that the OT is full of types and shadows of Christ. It is suggested that the Sabbath is a type and that Christ is the fulfillment requiring no further observation. In the wilderness manna was given each day, and corrupted overnight so as not to be fit for food the next day. Except on the 6th day, when sufficient for two days fell and did not corrupt, so as to save Israel from gathering on the Sabbath. Interesting though that Jesus, the bread of heaven, the Life-giver, gave all on the 6th day and rested on the Sabbath without seeing corruption. Thus after the close of the Levitical dispensation even Jesus Himself,in death, observed the Sabbath.

We do rest in Christ. Absolutelyb I have never denied that. Does resting in Christ however necessarily mean the annulment of a commandment? Nowhere in scripture...I say again nowhere does scripture suggest any annulment or change or removal of any of God's ten commandments. That is presumption. You folk need to stop viewing obedience to a commandment as a burden and take Isaiahs advice and treat it as a delight. Then not only do you rest spiritually in Christ but you also honor the very day he set aside as a gift for you to rest your bodyb thus keeping it holy and not profaning it.

What all are forgetting is that at creation, Jesus created a day and sanctified it, and made it holy. Nowhere in scripture are we advised that He has made it unholy.At that time there was not a Jew...not an Israelite nation...not even a sinner. It was a day in which Jesus and Adam shared a day of fellowship together ...Adam hasn't even worked yetb he hadn't earned his rst, it was a gracious gift granted him by his Creator. Later, Jesus declared that it was for man's sake the Sabbath was made and that He, Jesus, was the Lord of it. Which makes the Lord's day the 7th day Sabbath, not Sunday. As for Jesus' resurrection, yes He rose on Sunday. But the new covenant began the moment He shed His blood two day previously. and guess what He did in between On the Sabbath? He rested!! His own observance of Sabbath in death was His first act under the new covenant.

I will remind you that this conversation began from a simple request on my part for anyone to Biblically defend Sunday observance. The answer I have since received is a clear support of Sunday as a tradition, and a condemnation of those who would choose to observe Sabbath. That is bad enough, that you would condemn as heretics anyone who seeks to obey a commandment. But what is worse is that you are doing so without any knowledge whatsoever of these people's motives. That is abomination. You are placing yourself upon Gods throne. You do not know me. You do not know my friends. And despite your self glorying self righteous "you know it all" attitude regarding Adventist teaching, I will repeat, you may think you know, but you understand nothing. As for your so called exegesis aboveb it is a flat denial of not only Paul's words but also his testimony. As ,inChrist, pointed out Jewish and Gentile Christians observed Sabbath in Actsb and there is historical testimony that Sabbath observance continued long after the apostolic era. Interestingly it was the orthodox Sunday keepers who persecuted the Sabbath keepers ...nothing new under the sun.

Are you serious? Where were you when Shiloh wrote that I was not a Christian?

For further study: D.A. Carson, ed., From Sabbath to Lord's Day (Grand Rapids: Zondervan, 1982). https://www.gospeloutreach.net/sabbath.html As far as Col.2:14-17 is concerned it is NOT clear at all that Paul was including the weekly Sabbath day in his passage. Paul himself qualifies what things were done away in verse 17 KJV Colossians 2 17 Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ. Only those feasts, Sabbath etc that were shadows were done away. No others. The weekly Sabbath was never a type, shadow, of anything to come, but a MEMORIAL of creation. It looked back, not forward. It could NOT have been a shadow of the ministry of Christ under any reasoning because it was established before the fall, which event came later and was the reason for Christs coming. Anything before the fall, including marriage, was holy and sacred, and was to remain so until all things were completed.

Actually no. Very much no. I should not be chomping at the bit to do anything of the sort. However way I personally observe Sabbath is between me and God. It starts with the commandment. Remembering to keep it holy. How I go about that is personally tied into my relationship with Jesus. That is not something I can put forth as a recommendation for anyone. You can work that out for yourself. Isaiah 58, long a passage known as a Christian template for living an abundant lufe, would be a good help. But again, it starts with the commandment, and to claim that any of Gods commandments cannot be kept through His grace and power underestimates the power of God.