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Faith without works is dead
Desopixi Seilynam replied to Walter and Deborah's topic in General Discussion
For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision avails anything neither un-circumcision. But faith which works by love. For faith without works is dead, being alone. Galatians 5:6 and James 2:17-18 are in perfect harmony. -
1948 is not a Sign of the Coming of Jesus.
Desopixi Seilynam replied to Diaste's topic in Eschatology
Yes, and Jesus's return definitely includes resurrections. Jesus returns to resurrect His chosen ones and reign for 1000 years and beyond. There are only two accounts in the whole Bible where "from the four winds" is used, and each time the account is referring to actual resurrections. "Come, from the four winds, Oh breath of life, and breath upon these slain that they may live" Ezekiel 37:9 "They shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds....." "And He shall send forth His angels with the great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together His chosen ones from the four winds" Matthew 24:30-31 Ezekiel 37:1-15 = Resurrections "I will open up your graves... and bring you into your own land" 12 Ezekiel 37:15-28 = Reign of the Messiah "...will gather them on every side, and bring them into their own land" 21 12 and 21 speak of the same thing, how He gathers them is by resurrection and glorious raising (1 Thess 4:16-17) The Messiah resurrects His chosen ones and places them in their land, and they begin to rule. Paul gives the information that alive Christians will be raised with them too. Ezekiel 38 and 39 = Gog and Magog -
Definitely not. But the deception is such. 'Jesus' will be on the way, to end world war 3.
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1948 is not a Sign of the Coming of Jesus.
Desopixi Seilynam replied to Diaste's topic in Eschatology
Revelation gives revelation to what was said in books like Ezekiel and Daniel. In Ezekiel 39:6 "I will send a fire on Magog" Ezekiel 39:17 == Revelation 19:17 Even the numbers generally match, that is not a coincidence. Ezekiel 38 and 39 together are describing the whole Gog and Magog event. And then Ezekiel 40 to the end describes the 1000 years in more detail. All the way in Ezekiel 20:42 God promises to bring them back into Israel, [Ezekiel 20:47-48 == Rev 19:20-21] but we don't see the how until chapter 37. In 37 it generally speaks of the resurrections, 1000 years then Gog and Magog. And then afterwards we get details of the 1000 years. Ezekiel is full of a lot of promises. Some that still have yet to come to pass. Revelation 19 is describing the same resurrections of Ezekiel 37 in detail, the same resurrections mentioned in 20:4-5. The marriage supper of the Lamb is the first resurrection. "and the armies in the sky followed him on white horses...." Is how Revelation 19:14 should read. ["which were is an added in phrase, it will be in italics in a good physical Bible, and 'heaven' refers to the sky"] And that is the same army mentioned in Ezekiel 37:9-10 "an exceedingly great army" And in Jude 1:14-15 "Behold the Lord comes with 10,000's of his saints to do doom upon all flesh" And Joel 2:11 "For the Lord shall utter His voice before His army" Revelation 19 is describing the first resurrection and the events that happen during it, the prophesied army led by Christ captures and throws the beast and false prophet into a lake of fire, and Christ spews fire from His mouth on the armies gathered to try to fight them. It is part of the kindling spoken of in Ezekiel 20:47-48. The final fire from God is Revelation 20:9 the fire on Gog and Magog, and we know from 2 Peter 3:8-12 that fire also consumes the whole earth as we know it, the sky, the sea and the land. That is how the first earth passes away. By the time we get to Revelation we already have that information, from Peter. Revelation gives us the parts we don't already have from previous prophecy. All prophecy builds upon itself, explaining itself. "Come from the four winds oh breath of life and breath upon these slain that they may live" "And they stood upon their feet, an exceedingly great army" Ezekiel 37:9-10 "And He shall send forth His angels with the great sound of a trumpet and they shall gather together His chosen ones, from the four winds...." Matthew 24:31 "In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet fro the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed" 1 Corinthians 15:52 "For the Lord Himself shall descend from the sky with a shout, with the voice of the archangel and with the trumpet of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first" [Job 19:25-26, Isaiah 26:19, Psalm 16:9-10 specifically hoping for resurrection alongside the Messiah, these men are therefore in Christ, we share in their faith the faith of Abraham, who believed that Isaac would be raised from the dead Hebrews 11:19, these men and people like them will be gloriously raised first] "then we who are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air" 1 Thessalonians 4:16-17 "And to you who are troubled rest with us when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from the sky with His mighty angels, in flaming fire taking vengeance [Psalm 58:10] on them that know not God and that obey not the good news of our Lord Jesus Christ.... When He shall come to be glorified in His saints" [Malachi 4:2-3] 2 Thessalonians 1:7-10 "Let us be glad and rejoice, and give honor to Him; for the marriage of the Lamb has come and His bride has made herself ready.... And I saw the sky opened, and behold a white horse, and He that sat on Him was called Faithful and True, and in righteousness He does judge and make war. And the armies in the sky followed Him upon white horses" [Joel 2:4, Ezekiel 37:9-10, Jude 1:14-15] Revelation 19:7-14 Certainly the souls that were killed for the witness of Jesus, Rev 20:4, by the beast will get to be in the sky with Christ as part of that army to see the beast and false prophet captured. Such was promised in Psalm 58:10 and Malachi 4:2-3. Revelation 19:7-21 is speaking of the first resurrection in detail and Revelation 20:4-5 mentions it in brief. After the 1000 years there is another resurrection of all dead, from hades, death and the sea. Ezekiel 37:1-15 also speaks of the first resurrection. Then the 1000 years. Then Gog and Magog in chapters 38 and 39. Then the book ends with details of the 1000 years. In Revelation we get full revelation on the matter, and more details concerning the end and the resurrections. -
1948 is not a Sign of the Coming of Jesus.
Desopixi Seilynam replied to Diaste's topic in Eschatology
Yes 2037. Seventy CAPTIVITIES are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city. Daniel 9:24 Daniel was reading Jeremiah 25 and was inside of a 70 year captivity. [Daniel 1:21] Himself being almost 70 years older and in Babylon, and reading Jeremiah, he therefore understood that the captivity would be 70 years, [Daniel 9:2] and therefore was expecting what Jeremiah 25:8,12,26 says to happen. And therefore was praying to God to spare Jerusalem. Daniel 9:2-16 Gabriel comes and tells Daniel that 70 such captivities would happen! Not seventy weeks, seventy captivities. And so after 32 captivities shall Messiah suffer the death penalty but not for Himself. Daniel 9:26 Seventy, 70 year periods of time is 4,900 total years. 32 captivities is 2240 years and then the Messiah would suffer, and so there would be 2660 years worth of captivity after that. And we can see multiple captivities over time, the Babylonian captivity, the Roman captivity ending 70 ad, and the crusades starting around 1090. And in 1967 a captivity started, which captivity should be evident today. Just as the Bible says, the Messiah is coming to be a swift witness against false swearers, and them that turn aside the stranger from his right. Malachi 3:5, Obadiah 1:1-21, Ezekiel 35, Isaiah 65:5 1967 + 70 = 2037 By that time the captivity should end, according to Jeremiah 25 there is world wide destruction at the end of captivity. I believe the last captivity will be that of the wounded/healed king and false prophet. Around the end of this captivity a temple likely gets built, we can see even now, if what they are doing is taken to the fullest blowing up what is on the mount surely follows, in fact one has to wonder why they did not blow it up in 1967. Gog and Magog happens after the 1000 years. to a people that; "..are at rest that dwell safely, all of them dwelling without bars or gates" Ezekiel 38:11 that does not describe the Israel of our time, today they do dwell with bars and gates and solders guarding their settlements, and with constant terror and unrest. "Gog and Magog... Persia, Ethiopia.. Gomer..Togramah.. and many people with you" Ezekiel 38:1-6 "as a cloud to cover the land" Ezekiel 38:16 "they went up on the breath of the earth" Revelation 20:9 (airplanes) "I will rain upon him... fire and brimstone" Ezekiel 38:22 "a fire came down from God out of the sky and devoured them all" Revelation 20:10 -
1948 is not a Sign of the Coming of Jesus.
Desopixi Seilynam replied to Diaste's topic in Eschatology
Israel right now is greatly divided up, by many military checkpoints on the various crossroads, and divided into 3 territories with 2 distinct governing bodies; The West Bank, Israel, and the Gaza strip. With one "Palestinian" authority ruling certain sections, and an "Israeli" authority ruling others. To the extreme point that there is a Muslim temple on the place where the real temple was. The place now is not unified whatsoever at all. Ezekiel 37:22, a verse many want to claim was fulfilled in 1948, says: "..neither shall they be divided into two kingdoms any more at all" that is a repeated sentiment in the verse, showing clearly that when God restores Israel, it would not be divided whatsoever at all, but rather fully restored, and its people restored, from even death. That is a big part of the reason why resurrection is what happened, to demonstrate and prove that it is resurrection that will be happening. The land that was given to the Hebrews includes about half of what is called Jordan today, and the Gaza strip (see my avatar and Joshua 22) Clearly what they had has not been restored to them. Clearly Ezekiel 37 - 39 is giving the same order given in Revelation 20. Ezekiel 37:1-15 = Resurrections Ezekiel 37:15-24 = Reign (an actual resurrected David as promised Jeremiah 30:9) Ezekiel 38 and 39 = Gog and Magog Revelation 20:4-5 = Resurrections Revelation 20:5-7 = Reign Revelation 20:7-10 = Gog and Magog The above is self evident from the texts themselves. They are giving the same prophecy in different ways. Paul also refers to Ezekiel 37:10-12 as a promise of resurrection "the promise made of God unto our fathers" "Why should it be thought a thing incredible with you that God should raise the dead?" Acts 26:5-8 [Acts 23:5-8] There are prophecies concerning resurrection; Job 19:26, Isaiah 26:19 Psalm 16:10 but there is only one place where God Himself promises resurrection to the nation of Israel as a whole; Ezekiel 37:10-12 as such that can be the only passage Paul was referring to. -
From Gaza to the Golan Heights in 3 Steps.
Desopixi Seilynam replied to Marilyn C's topic in General Discussion
"Esau... all the men of thy confederacy have brought you even to the border: the men that were at peace with you have deceived you... they that eat thy bread have laid a trap for you and there is none aware of it." Obadiah 1:7 Clandestine war to install more deception, leading to the days of the beast and false prophet, one pretending to be Jesus with miracles and all. Many Christians are concentrated in the West Bank, in the Golan Heights and in Gaza. -
1948 is not a Sign of the Coming of Jesus.
Desopixi Seilynam replied to Diaste's topic in Eschatology
Ezekiel 37:22 was not fulfilled in 1948. Ezekiel 37:1-15 is about actual resurrection. The Bible declares what will happen before the Lord returns to resurrect and restore Israel. "Son of man, thy brethren, even thy brethren, the men of thy kindred, are they unto whom the inhabitants of Jerusalem have said, get you far from the Lord, unto us is this land given in possession." Ezekiel 11:15 Son of man, set thy face against mount Sir, and prophesy against it. Because you have a perpetual hatred, and has shed the blood of the children of Israel by the force of the sword in the time of their calamity, in the time their iniquity had come to an end. (when they started to accept the Messiah) Ezekiel 35:5 Because you have said, these two nations and these two countries shall be mine, and we will posses it, even though the Lord was there. Ezekiel 35:10 ...all the blasphemies which you have spoken against the mountains of Israel saying, they are laid desolate, they are given us to consume. Thus says the Lord God, When the whole earth rejoices, I will make you desolate. Ezekiel 35:12,14 And I hated Esau and laid his mountains and his heritage waste. Whereas Edom says, We are impoverished, but let us return and build the desolate places. Thus says the Lord, they may build but I will throw down I will be a swift witness against... false swearers... and them that turn aside the stranger from his right, because they do not fear me says the Lord Malachi 1:3-4, 3:5 Them that say; stand over there by yourself because I am holier than thou, these cause my wrath to smoke a fire that will burn all the day. [2 Peter 3:8-12] Isaiah 65:5 Esau... you should not have gloated over your brother in the day that he became a stranger [Deuteronomy 28:43-44] you should not have entered into the gates of my people in the day of their calamity, nor have laid hands on his substance Neither should you have stood in the crossroads to cut off those of his that did escape neither should you have made captive those of his that did remain. For the day of the Lord is near Deliverers shall come up on mount Zion to judge the mount of Esau and the kingdom shall be the Lords Obadiah 1:6,12,13,14,15,21 Ezekiel 35 = Esau is in Israel. Ezekiel 36 = Prophecy that bloodshed in the land will cease. Ezekiel 37:1-15 = Resurrections Ezekiel 37:15-24 = Reign of the Messiah Ezekiel 38 and 39 = Gog and Magog. Revelation 20:4-5 = Resurrections Revelation 20:5-7 = Reign of the Messiah Revelation 20:7-10 = Gog and Magog ------- "...of the hope and resurrection of the dead am I called in question" Acts 23:6-8 "And now I stand and am judged for the hope of the promise made of God unto our fathers unto which promise our twelve tribes earnestly serving God day and night hope to come" "Why should it be thought a thing incredible with you that God should raise the dead?" Acts 26:5-8 Paul refers to a promise of resurrection made by God unto the nation of Israel as a whole. The only such promise in the Bible is Ezekiel 37:10-12 "breath upon these slain that they may live" "I will open up your graves and bring you up out of your graves" Ezekiel 37:22 has not happened yet. Israel has not been restored yet. Resurrections happen at the restoration of Israel, God will restore all righteous Israel from even death, and place them in their land. We who are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air An exceedingly great army [Ezekiel 37:9-10, Jude 1:14-15, Rev 19] from the four winds [Ezekiel 37:9-10, Matthew 24:31] coming down to judge and reign with Christ. -
This is not the conspiracy section so I won't get into it too much. But everything related to the idea of aliens is a deception. Whatever Ezekiel saw was both physical and spiritual. "And they went every one straight forward: whither the spirit was to go" "the spirit of the living creatures was in the wheels" Ezekiel 1:12,20 "God called the firmament Heaven." Gen 1:8 "God called the dry land earth." Gen 1:9 "Heaven is my throne and the earth my foot stool" Isaiah 66:1 The sky is my throne and the land my foot stool There is a city on top of the sky with streets of transparent gold, Gods throne is out in the open in the middle of that city. [Rev 22] Ezekiel had a vision of part of the sky, the firmament, the part with Gods throne above it, and four living creatures holding it above their heads as it came down by Ezekiel. Ezekiel 1:4, 22 [Job 37:18], 25,26,27,28
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One thing I do is read and re read what I'm about to post. I often take out things and re type things, it normally takes me a long time to post anything, because I re read it so much. Another thing I do is copy paste whatever I post, and I have it all stored in text files on my computer and sometimes re read them. It helps to see how I come across. And we should try to agree with others as much as possible. We can all agree, times are changing, the end is surely nigh. This right here took me like 20 minutes to write, no joke.
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Paul refers to Ezekiel 37:10-12 as "the promise made of God to the fathers" concerning resurrection. Acts 26:5-8, (23:6-8) There is no other promise of resurrection made by God directly to Israel collectively. Ezekiel 37:1-15 == Resurrections Ezekiel 37:15-24 == Reign of Messiah Ezekiel 38 and 39 == Gog and Magog Revelation 20:4-5 == Resurrections Revelation 20:5-7 == Reign of the Messiah Revelation 20:7-10 == Gog and Magog The texts when read at face value are clearly giving the above same outline. Gog and Magog is a future event happening to an Israel that is: "at rest, that dwell safely, all of them dwelling without walls, and having neither bars nor gates" Ezekiel 38:11 At this point it should be clear, that verse does not describe the Israel of our times. Since 1967 they have dwelt with walls and with bars and gates and solders, and there has been no real peace and rest.
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In short, we are well on are way to the obvious end times.
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Right, each captivity is seventy years. And seventy captivities are to happen. After 32 captivities the Messiah suffers the death penalty. Daniel 9:26 So there would be 38 captivities left after the Messiah. 38 sets of 70 year captivities, 2660 total years. We can see at least 3 or so captivities in time. The Babylonian captivity that Daniel was in. The captivity around the time of Christ, 0 -70 a.d. And the time of the crusades ending around 1260. And at this point it should be clear that a captivity started in 1967, 2037 and beyond will mark these words.
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Some Bibles say 'sevens'. Given the context we can see that Daniel was concerned about the captivity he was in, and was reading about it in Jeremiah, the immediate context is his 70 year captivity. Daniel is 70 years older, [Daniel 1:21, 10:1] and still in Babylon, and reading Jeremiah [Daniel 9:2] he understands that Jerusalem is to be destroyed, [Jeremiah 25:12,18,26] and prays about it [Daniel 9:3-16-23] Then Gabriel comes and tells him "Seventy ....... are determined upon thy people..." Daniel 9:24 Some Bibles have 'weeks' some translations have 'sevens' if we use the word 'captivities', the passage makes more sense than with the other words, and fits with the context of verses 2 through 23. And fits with what we know of time. "And after 32 captivities shall Messiah suffer the death penalty but not for Himself" Daniel 9:26 Seventy total captivities, and so it's telling us therefore that there are some 2000 plus years remaining after the Messiah. .. . .
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Seventy captivities are determined. 70 sets of 70 year captivities. 4,900 total years worth of time. Daniel 9:2-13, Daniel 9:24. "Seventy captivities are determined upon thy people...." Daniel was in the Babylonian captivity, the first one. During the time of the Messiah Israel was in another captivity, ending 70 a.d. And the time of the so called crusades can be seen as a time of captivity ending around 1260. And a captivity started in 1967. This what is going on today is a continuation of what has been happening. In times past they called it 'the 50 years war', there are [now older] documentaries about it. Seventy years from 1967 is 2037. Jeremiah 25:12-26 describes the end of a captivity. Destruction begins at Jerusalem and then continues world wide.
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A Concern for Applying the Bible to the Natural Sciences
Desopixi Seilynam replied to Scott Free's topic in Science and Faith
The sun is 93 million miles away? "I saw an angel, standing in the sun, and he cried with a loud voice saying to all the birds that fly in the midst of the sky...." Rev 19:17 'The heavens have become mans realm' Nixon to the astronauts. "No man has ascended up to heaven" John 3:13 -
Yes, and we have a record of His actual words, His actual voice. "I say unto you that hear, Love your enemies and do good to them which hate you" Luke 6:27-49
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What does He say?
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"My sheep hear my voice, I know them, and they follow me. And I give unto them eternal life, and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand." John 10:27-28 Who are His sheep? How would you define them? What does it mean to hear His voice and follow Him?
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Yes, if he is the son of perdition, we see his end in Revelation 19:20-21. And we therefore see the same resurrections spoken of in Daniel 12:2 also in Revelation 20:4-5. And it says; "and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshiped the beast (that king) .... But the rest of the dead lived not again.... this is the first resurrection" And so we know the time of tribulation happens with that king who places his palace in the glorious mountain, the son of perdition. In Revelation it is clear that the tribulation happens while the son of perdition is there, he is part of the tribulation itself. And so given Revelation, we know how to understand Daniel 11:40 through 12:2. Edit: When that king is being consumed is when the deliverance happens, we are raised to be an army coming down in the air in the clouds with Christ to do doom upon all flesh. The marriage supper of the Lamb.
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Yes, and going on in 11:41-45 it declares that in the end a king will plant his palace in the glorious holy mountain. Yet he shall come to his end, and none shall help him. At the time that king is in the glorious holy mountain, there shall be a time of trouble, such as never was... [Daniel 12:1] great hailstones from heaven, strange creatures from below the earth, and other such plagues, and the king causing all to worship him or die. [Revelation 8-9, 13 - 17] We see the kings end happen in Revelation 19:20-21. And resurrections happen; Rev 20:4-5, Daniel 12:2.
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"a seed which you sow is not made alive, except it die: And that which you sow is not the body that it will be.... God gives it a body as it has pleased him, and to every seed his own body.... So also is the resurrection of the dead. It is sown in corruption; it is raised in incorruption. It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body and there is a spiritual body. this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality." 1 Corinthians 15:36-53 Those raised are given a new kind of body. We are all changed, from mortal to immortal. We are indeed souls inside of flesh. "...And he stretched himself upon the child three times, and cried unto the Lord and said, O Lord my God, I pray thee, let this child's soul come into him again. And the Lord heard the voice of Elijah; and the soul of the child came into him again, and he revived." 1 Kings 17:17-22 Demons went into swine is another place we see clearly the spiritual inside of flesh, this world is definitely not just flesh. [Luke 8:27-37] Our decayed bodies need not revive, our souls receive new glorified bodies, and I believe as saints we receive this right away either when we die, or if we survive to when the Lord returns, either way it happens in an instant.
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I read Daniel 11:40 like this in the king James: "And at the time of the end shall the king of the south push at him; and the king of the north shall come against him like a whirlwind.... and he shall enter into the [their] countries and shall overflow and pass over" This verse is talking about the wounded/healed king, the beast representing the final world wide kingdom. Eventually both the king of the south and north come against the beast, but they get defeated. We can draw this from the context of verses 36-39, "he" "him" in verse 40 onward is referring to that king that exalts himself above very god. "He shall enter also into the glorious land and many countries shall be overthrown.... he shall go forth with great fury to destroy, and utterly to make away many. And he shall plant the tabernacle of his palace between the seas in the glorious holy mountain [Israel]; yet he shall come to his end and none shall help him" Daniel 11:41-45
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"And the ten horns are ten kings, which have not received a kingdom as of yet..." Revelation 17:12 So therefore they are people, not kingdoms, people who are like kings but not really with a kingdom as of yet. One class of people that fit this description are elected officials. Surely the president is seen as a king, generally in a similar role, but yet not actually a king. One first place to institute such a practice was, Rome. There is the famous story of the ruler who served his term and then went back to plowing his farm. It's likely ten of those kind will become actual kings for a time with the beast. And so also in verse 10-11 it's talking about kings, people. "And there are seven kings...... the beast that was, and is not, even he is the eighth" Revelation 17:10-11 Yes he is a vessel for a demon, but ultimately a person in the flesh. I think the beast will be a king indwelt by a demon, technologically possessed by a demon, giving that demon as much consciousness as possible, but presented to the world as if he was brought back to life via 'special' technology. I think the anti-Christ is the devil himself in the flesh actually, born..... the opposite of the Messiah. God allows it and the miracles he will do. I believe it will be very glorious, he will fly around like super man raining fire down on a seeming anti-Christ. So 2,490 years? What does the Bible say? "I Daniel understood by the books, the number of years... how that the Lord would accomplish 70 years in the desolations of Jerusalem... And I prayed unto the Lord my God..... Oh Lord let thine anger and thy fury be turned away from thy city Jerusalem... And the man Gabriel... informed me... Oh Daniel, I am come to give thee skill in understanding." Daniel 9:2-23 Daniel was now 70 years older and in captivity, [1:21, 2 Chronicles 36] and therefore according to Jeremiah 25:12,18,26 that Daniel was reading, he was expecting Jerusalem to be destroyed, and praying for God to spare Jerusalem. But Gabriel comes and tells Daniel: "Seventy captivities are determined upon thy people......." Daniel 9:24 There will be repeated captivities, seventy of them. 4,900 total years, in about the middle of which, the Messiah suffers the death penalty but not for Himself. Daniel 9:24-26 is describing all of time from the captivity that Daniel was in up to the captivity the beast/anti-Christ will be over. 70 total captivities, 4,900 years worth of time. "..And the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary..." Daniel 9:26 The people of the prince that shall come are in Israel now, slowly destroying it from the inside now, since 1967. By 2037 ww3 will most likely start in regards to Israel, another captivity will have ended. ------- Israel is not back in Israel. Ezekiel 37 has not yet happened. Ezekiel 37:10-12 is the promise of resurrection made of God to the fathers that Paul speaks about in Acts 26:5-8 [note also Acts 23:6-8] Israel gets resurrected and placed back into the land. David will literally be resurrected just as it is written. "David, whom I will raise up unto you" Jeremiah 30:9 [Psalm 16:10] "Israels dead men shall rise, together with my dead body shall they arise" Isaiah 26:19 [Job 19:26] "Come from the four winds Oh breath of life and breath upon these slain that they may live, and they stood upon their feet an exceedingly great army" Ezekiel 37:9-10 "Oh my people I will open up your graves and bring you up out of your graves and bring you into the land of Israel" Ezekiel 37:12 "Why should it be thought a thing incredible with you that God should raise the dead?" Acts 26:8 "The dead in Christ shall rise first, then we who are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds..." 1 Thess. 4:16-17 David and Isaiah are in Christ, Abraham is in Christ, we share in their faith, the faith of Abraham. The faith of Abraham? What did Abraham believe?! That God was going to raise Issac from the dead! Hebrews 11:17-19 Ezekiel 37 through 39 is giving the same prophecy that Revelation 20 expounds on. And is speaking about actual resurrection, there is no other passage in which God Himself promises resurrection to Israel as a whole, therefore clearly Ezekiel 37:10-12 is what Paul was referring to in Acts 26:5-8, making it clear by scripture that Ezekiel 37:1-15 is about actual resurrection. It is men with no scripture reference that simply assert that 'graves' does not mean 'graves' but I hope you can see that based on scripture we can not accept that assertion. Ezekiel 37:1-15 = Resurrections Ezekiel 37:15-24 = Reign of the Messiah Ezekiel 38 and 39 = Gog and Magog Revelation 20:4-5 = Resurrections Revelation 20:5-7 = Reign of the Messiah Revelation 20:7-10 = Gog and Magog That is the outline of both passages, they speak of the same thing. Nothing of Ezekiel 37 has happened yet, what happened is that another captivity started in 1948-67. False swearers are in Israel, Esau is in Israel, as prophesied. "Son of man, thy brethren... the men of thy kindred, all the house of Israel wholly, are they unto whom the inhabitants of Jerusalem have said: get you far from the Lord, unto us is this land given in possession" Ezekiel 11:15 "The Lord of hosts shall defend them; and they shall devour and subdue with sling stones" Zechariah 9:15 "And I hated Esau and laid his mountains and his heritage waste for the dragons of the wilderness. Whereas Edom says; We are impoverished, but let us return and build the desolate places. Thus says the Lord, they may build, but I will throw down.... I will be a swift witness against... false swearers.... and them that turn aside the stranger from his right" Malachi 1:3-4, 3:5 "For the day of the Lord is near... Deliverers shall come up on mount Zion, to judge the mount of Esau, and the kingdom shall be the Lords." Obadiah 1:15,21 ------- "I will raise up a shepherd in the land, which shall not visit those that be cut off.... he shall eat the flesh of the fat, and tear their claws in pieces. Woe to the idol shepherd that leaves the flock! The sword shall be upon his arm, and upon his right eye, his arm shall be clean dried up, and his right eye shall be utterly darkened" Zechariah 11:16-17 [the beast/anti-Christ] "And it shall come to pass in that day that the prophets shall be ashamed every one of his vision...." Zechariah 13:4 "Awake, O sword, against my shepherd, and against the man that is my fellow, saith the Lord of hosts; smite the shepherd and the sheep shall be scattered: and I will turn my hand upon the little ones" Zechariah 13:7 "and I will bring a third part through the fire, and will refine them as silver is refined, and will try them as gold is tried" Zechariah 13:9 "and they that understand among the people shall instruct many, yet they shall fall by the sword, and by flame, by captivity, and by plunder, many days. Now, when they fall, they shall be helped with a little help, but many will join with them because of intrigue. And some of them of understanding shall fall to try them, and to purge, and to make them white, even to the time of the end: because it is yet for a time appointed" Daniel 11:33-35
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The kingdom of the beast. "...authority was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations" "...all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life" "...he deceives them that dwell on the earth" "...all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond" Revelation 13