Womens Roll in Church

[2bba]

My wife requested that I post this.

She wants to know why it is that Deborah could be a judge, or ruler of Israel, yet there are verses such as the one that follows that mentions "women keep silence in the churches." So what exactly should the roll of women be in the church.

Judges 4:4 And Deborah, a prophetess, the wife of Lapidoth, she judged Israel at that time.

1 Corinthians 14:34 Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience, as also saith the law.

Edited June 21, 2004 by 2bba

[Guest yod]

oh man....not this one again...

This gets covered about 4 times a year on the Worthy Boards...

It never brings fruit....but here goes...

I believe those passages of Paul spoke about a culture where women weren't educated and therefore could not read the Word of God...much less preach it. While it is obvious that men should be in authority (because Adam came first and Eve was made from his rib) the disagreement comes about whether a woman has anything to offer in the way of teaching inside the walls of the church.

It's silly to say that they don't but many people do just that....

And there is some reason to believe that the teachings in that particular church of Paul's day were being interrupted by women shouting across the room to their husbands for clarification. Paul was saying that this was disrupting order in the congregation.

Yet the classic western cultural interpretation is that all women should shut up once they enter the doors of a church...and that seems to be the prevelant thought when this topic gets brought up.

There are soooooooo many contradictions in that way of thinking that it's pointless to argue. Those who choose to believe this way will not be swayed because they don't want to see.

Just tell your wife that all children of God have been given the ministry of reconciliation.....and she should do that will her whole heart no matter what others think.

[BobTriez]

My wife requested that I post this.

She wants to know why it is that Deborah could be a judge, or ruler of Israel, yet there are verses such as the one that follows that mentions "women keep silence in the churches." So what exactly should the roll of women be in the church.

Judges 4:4 And Deborah, a prophetess, the wife of Lapidoth, she judged Israel at that time.

1 Corinthians 14:34 Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience, as also saith the law.

You can't use Deborah as an example....she was a judge over public ( civil ) matters, not over matters of the Church or the body of believers....kinda a proverbial comparing apples & oranges....

All I'll say on this matter is, woman are indeed called to carry out God's calling in whatever capacity HE calls them to...( and I'll leave it at that )

In HIM,

Bob

[Botz]

Bob...Don't mention Oranges!

I don't think it really matters if the same subjects are repeated because if you have participated in them before and are reluctant to do so again...you can either download previous and relevant material or you can just mosey over to a different topic..there are enough new faces and those that still enjoy a good but familiar argument to make it all worthwhile.

[Leonard]

Since women are usually far better cooks than men, I believe that monthly Fellowship Breakfasts should serve women's rolls, rather than men's.

If, however we're talking about women's 'role' in the Church, my opinion could be substantially changed.................

Sorry, just had to toss that in. :x:

[Botz]

1Ti 2:12  But I don't permit a woman to teach, nor to exercise authority over a man, but to be in quietness.

1Ti 2:13  For Adam was first formed, then Chavah.

1Ti 2:14  Adam wasn't deceived, but the woman, being deceived, has fallen into disobedience;

1Ti 2:15  but she will be saved through her childbearing, if they continue in faith, love, and sanctification with sobriety.

Without really nailing my flag to the mast on this issue I think there is enough evidence to suggest that there is a divine order to what G-d has ordained and this is for a reason. (You can see this in the function of the Godhead)

A man and a woman are very different (in case you hadn't noticed) both physically and emotionally...you don't generally send the women off to war while the men look after the home and the kids...you don't generally find that the bulk of world leaders are women.etc.

Similarly throughout the Bible the amount of times women are in overall charge of Israel or operate in a High-priestly function are either very few or non-existant...and when it happens it is often to make up for the lack found in men...but it is not the norm.

In the NT the Apostles were all men...and the vast amount of preaching and establishing of Churches was all done by men I feel this has something to do with G-ds order and the sort of pressures and responsibilities that are meant to be the domain of the man and not the woman...and in no way is this meant to demean the women...it is just the way it seems that G-d has planned it.

In China at the moment...many of the preachers are women...and many are teenagers and have established many Churches...this is because so many men are in prison...and G-d will use whoever is available to establish his kingdom.

The L-rd wants his best for us as individuals and for the Church as a whole and the order in which He has ordained leadership in the Church certainly seems to indicate that it works best when a man is Leading and that is the way G-d intended it to be.

[nebula]

Since women are usually far better cooks than men, I believe that monthly Fellowship Breakfasts should serve women's rolls, rather than men's.

If, however we're talking about women's 'role' in the Church, my opinion could be substantially changed.................

Sorry, just had to toss that in.  :x: 

Good catch!

^

And that here is another "woman's roll"!

[2bba]

Since women are usually far better cooks than men, I believe that monthly Fellowship Breakfasts should serve women's rolls, rather than men's.

If, however we're talking about women's 'role' in the Church, my opinion could be substantially changed.................

Sorry, just had to toss that in. :x:

lol - Must have been a Freudian slip on my part.

[Guest Called]

I have mentioned this on a previous thread that discussed this subject.

The problems at Corinth called for local solutions to the particular difficulties in the church. At Corinth, eating and drinking took place in private, not at the church (there goes the Baptists! he he!) At Corinth, women spoke at home, not while in church. Prostitution associated with pagan religion at Corinth, and other difficulties probably necessitated Paul's words. In other contexts, women prayed prophesied and advanced the kingdom of God.

And every woman who prays or prophesies with her head uncovered dishonors her head--it is just as though her head were shaved. 1 Corinthians 11:5

One of those listening was a woman named Lydia, a dealer in purple cloth from the city of Thyatira, who was a worshiper of God. The Lord opened her heart to respond to Paul's message. When she and the members of her household were baptized, she invited us to her home. "If you consider me a believer in the Lord," she said, "come and stay at my house." And she persuaded us. Acts 16:14-15

He began to speak boldly in the synagogue. When Priscilla and Aquila heard him, they invited him to their home and explained to him the way of God more adequately. Acts 18:26

So when taken in context with other scripture, Paul was just speaking to this church at Corinth, due to the problem with the Pagan women coming into the church and trying to lead the men astray.

Throughout the Bible we see women who have taken leadership positions. Here are a couple examples.

Barak said to her, "If you go with me, I will go; but if you don't go with me, I won't go." "Very well," Deborah said, "I will go with you. But because of the way you are going about this, the honor will not be yours, for the LORD will hand Sisera over to a woman." So Deborah went with Barak to Kedesh, where he summoned Zebulun and Naphtali. Ten thousand men followed him, and Deborah also went with him. Judges 4:8-10

The whole book of Esther.

[Andrew007]

Women are usually better preachers than men anyways... :sweating: :oww: